Yahoo (YHOO) Clings By Fingernails To Low End of Range

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jerryyang4.jpgYahoo's Q2 disappointing:

  • Gross revenue lower half of range (weak),
  • operating income light,
  • EBITDA light (dragged down by Microsoft defense/courting expenses),
  • EPS light.
  • Revenue and operating income guidance for year "narrowed" (high end of range reduced).

Revenue up a scorching 6% year over year. Even owned and operated properties, the pride and joy, managed only a 14% increase. (Cable companies often grow ad revenue faster than this.) One positive note: US revenue was up 13%. Unfortunately, international plummeted, despite favorable currency trends. All in all, not good, certainly, but also not a disaster. And this was indeed one hell of distracting quarter.

Specifically:

Gross Revenue lower end of the guidance range: $1.78 billion vs. $1.73-$1.93 billion guidance.

Net Revenue below consensus: $1.346 billion versus $1.37 billion consensus

Operating Income weak, despite mass firings: Paltry $101 million vs. $135-$155 guidance

EBITDA okay if you exclude $22 million in Microsoft advisory fees: $427 million versus $425-$455 guidance. Even after backing out Microsoft fees, still missed consensus of $450ish.

Free cash flow only $231 million, down 30%. Remember when Yahoo used to gush cash? Those were the days.

EPS: $0.10 vs. $0.12 consensus. Ouch.

Outlook:

  • 2008 Gross Revenue: guidance now $7.35-$7.85 billion vs $7.2-$8 billion previous ("narrowed")
  • 2008 EBITDA: guidance now $1.825-$1.975 vs. previous guidance of $1.775-$2.025 ("narrowed")

FUN FACT: Total explicit cost (so far) to Yahoo shareholders to fight off Microsoft and then try to win it back: $36 million ($22 million this quarter, $14 million last quarter).

CONFERENCE CALL NOTES

5:06PM Still preamble

JERRY:

Happy we settled with that bastard Icahn. And now, on to the business...
Did pretty well considering extraordinary distractions.
Two quarters in line with plan [sort of]
Now, even greater focus on growing business [thank goodness]

Strong double-digit user growth. [This is huge. If this stops, company toast. If users keep growing, can be saved]

Hit by economy: Consumer products, finance. Display revenue weak.
Acknowledges miss revenue. Operating cash flow okay because managed expenses.

Now blowing smoke up employee posteriors (I'm one). "Passionate Yahoos have done a great job."

SUE:

Despite weak economcy, on track to hit targets 2008 [sort of].

Laying groundwork for why forthcoming display ad platform is so critical, as well as for why Yahoo needs to remain a principal in search.

Can Yahoo succeed in search? Query growth accelerated in Q2. [Good news, but can still lose share while growing queries, as Ask.com demonstrates every day]

Search monkey: 1000s of developers active.
BOSS: custom search pages on Yahoo.

US search revenue up 19%

Henry Blodget signing off--thanks. Jonathan Kennedy taking over for SAI:

Display revenue worldwide grew double digits.

Response to Buzz and BOSS indicative of things to come.

"Business model holding up well despite current economic environment." Cash up to $3.22 billion.

No share repurchasing this quarter due to trading restrictions.

Excluding AT&T, revenue ex-TAC would have been up 11% yoy

Softness in finance, travel, and retail... result of declining economy. Entertainment was up.
Internation revenue ex-Tax was 14%. Effective tax rate for the year to be between 41% and 44$

Maintaining mid-points of outlook range. Ranges narrowed to reflect completion of first 2 quarters. GAAP revenue to be between $7.35 billion and $7.85 billion, OCF between $1.825 billion and $1.975 billion, FCF between $900 million and $1.05 billion and capex between $675 million and $775 million.

Q&A begins... RBC analyst asks about non-guaranteed inventory growth rate. What percent of YHOO inventory is non-guaranteed? Answer... Seeing strong growth from non-guaranteed business.

Thomas Weisel analyst asks about Asian assets, what benefit have they had?... Answer: Don't want to speculate on potential transactions. Have examined various alternatives. Assets have been critical to expansion of franchise into Asia. We have excellent partners in these markets.

Jefferies analyst asks about weakness in display, what kind of growth assumption do you have? Will you racapitalize? Answer... We have looked at just about every alternative you can imagine to drive share holder value. We continue to have strong balance sheet and ability to generate cash. Trading restrictions have limited options. Not assuming significant change in display growth. 3rd quarter is seasonally the weakest.

JP Morgan analyst asks about international growth, why is it underperforming your competitors. Given underperformance in search, does it make sense to remain in this business?... Answer: weakness in international do mostly to weakness is search affiliates. We think Search is a "critical component." We have a broad product road map. Partnership with Google will help. Narrowed RPS gap this quarter.

Citi analyst asks about automation of display advertising, how automated can it be?... Answer: In terms of timing, expect strategy to be a 3-year time frame. First phase is upon us. Will be rolling out more broadly at end of Q3. More difficult to do because of more variables.

BofA analyst asks about the time it will take to implement Google deal... Answer: After review period, if we implement, will be some time in Q4.

Merrill analyst asks about lower profitability, what are the drivers?... Answer: U.S. business bears all impact of restructuring of AT&T deal, which was a drag on revenue. U.S. economy is weaker, seeing impact. 3Q is seasonally weakest quarter.

Call ends...

 


Yahoo Q2

Yahoo (YHOO) reports Q2 this afternoon after the close. We'll be covering the results and conference call live here. Press release probably out around 4:15/1:15 call starts at 5PM/2PM. Details and webcast here.

Preview

We expect Yahoo's results to be...mixed. Why? In part because Yahoo slices and dices its results in so many different ways that, by the end of the call, we'll be groping for the brevity of a single adjective. And in part because we expect the results to be, well, mixed: uninspiring revenue, okay bottom line (thanks to those firings), uninspiring guidance.

Specifically:

Gross Revenue: $1.73-$1.93 billion guidance
Net Revenue:
$1.37 billion consensus
Operating Income: $135-$155 guidance
EBITDA: $425-$455 guidance, consensus higher ($450ish)
EPS: $0.12 consensus
Outlook:

  • 2008: Net Revenue $5.72 billion, EPS $0.48 (Gross Revenue guidance: $7.2-$8 billion
  • 2009: Net Revenue $6.47 billion, EPS $0.61

Lehman's Doug Anmuth has the details:

We look for gross revenue to be in the lower half of guidance and likely below our estimates given overall macro-headwinds and display in particular, but we expect EBITDA to fare somewhat better given recent headcount reductions and cost containment efforts.

For the quarter we project net revenue of $1.38 billion (+11.3% Y/Y), EBITDA of $460 million (-2.9% Y/Y, 33.2% margin), and GAAP EPS of $0.10. Our estimates are essentially in line with consensus for net revenue of $1.37 billion (+10.4% Y/Y), EBITDA of $457 million (-3.5% Y/Y, 33.3% margin), and GAAP EPS of $0.10. We believe this morning’s settlement between Yahoo! and Carl Icahn—in which Mr. Icahn and two of his nominees will be appointed to the Yahoo! Board—likely takes some of the edge off of 2Q results and reduces the significance of Yahoo!’s annual meeting on August 1.

We believe much of the focus on the call will be on Yahoo!’s display business given the weakening macro backdrop and recently evident impact on companies such as Microsoft, Valueclick, and Bankrate. While we expect Yahoo!’s gross display revenue to grow 25% Y/Y to $509 million, this number will be helped by Yahoo!’s newer premium display partners such as eBay, Comcast, and WebMD, as well as the acquisitions of Right Media and Blue Lithium. We think Yahoo!’s O&O display growth is a better proxy for the core business, especially as its third-party ad management platform is just beginning to ramp up. For the quarter, we project O&O display to grow 16% Y/Y to $462 million, but this projection is likely too optimistic given signs of a softening display market and Yahoo!’s large exposure as the industry leader.

Turning to search, Yahoo! gained modest share in May and June off of its all-time low of 20.4% share in April (comScore), and Marketplace Reserve Pricing—which went into effect in mid-April—could boost monetization, but tougher comps (2Q07 was the first full quarter of Panama) and a continued focus on the quality of affiliates are likely to impact overall growth. We project search gross revenue of $1.03 billion (+3.2% Y/Y), of which we believe O&O search net revenue will grow 13% Y/Y to $447 million. We look for Yahoo! to provide more detail on the early effects of Marketplace Reserve Pricing, Search Monkey, and potentially any update to the status of the search partnership with Google.



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48 Comments

Steve Cohen said:
Yahoo ad coverage is up and they were the only one of the three search engines to retain their active advertiser base this quarter (see latest AdGooroo research report which nailed both MSN and Google Q2 revenues). I wouldn't be surprised to see them surprise us with better than expected revenues.

I'll drink to that.

Impatient said:
typical...poor execution, even on the press release

Timber said:
Ouchy!

fredb said:
$101 Million in Income... WOOOOOOO>.... that's awesome!!! they are worth WAAAAY more than the $40B+ that Microsoft offered...

yang's a moron.

George P. said:
The market is reacting well to the news. I guess it feels that a sale is imminent.

Must have been expecting a disaster.

CondorSpreads said:
Ehh, I'm curious to see what happens tomorrow.

I think the current uptick is a phony baloney sandwich.

George P. (URL) said:
@CondorSpreads Maybe, or now the market believes that YHOO can't justify turning down even $28.00 - or better yet - big investors like Mason can't.

I'm curious to hear what the tone of Yang and Decker on the conference call will be.

lostinvancouver said:
holy smokes! if blodget feels like the results are ugly, they must be...

CondorSpreads said:
Looks like a few folks just finished up their sandwich...


Will said:
8% YOY growth in revs. So worth it for an Internet company. It's a piece of *(^ that will slowly float to the bottom of the toilet.

Look at the Yang lovers propping up the stock in after hours. Sickening.

everton said:
now we know why jerry was so eager to cut a deal with carl. icahn's odds would've grown exponentially after this debacle . . .

it's truly unbelievable that this board turned up its nose at $33 or $31.

digitaljon said:
2c miss on eps and the stock us up A/H? Buyside must have been expecting a complete disaster!

doldo@yahoo.com said:
The poor financial metrics are among other things a result of the very poor performance in europe.. in particular with the strong euro.. yhoo whit its near zero market share position in Europe suffers tremendously compared to google...
As in previous posts said... they could save costs in Europe and Asia easily if they would simplify their Organisation and streamline everything they do.. remember ?jerry´s product closure initiative ... a year ago and his 100 day plan... nothing happened...
poor yahoo! shareholder... will celebrate the day when decker and yang are gone..




Brian in WV said:
Not worth 40B+? What are you guys talking about?! Total revenue increased 6 percent from Q2 2007. 6 percent!

Take that, GOOG and MSFT.

CondorSpreads said:
I'm seeing 100 share blocks go back and forth AH.

There was one 30K block @ 21.5 that got pulled a few mins ago...everything else has been tiny.

Let's see what tomorrow brings. This light volume isn't telling us much.

However, I am surprised we're closer to $22 vs. $20 right now

HeyHenry said:
Any chance you can IM one of your analyst friends and persuade him/her to ask the team if in light of Q2 results, is the appointment of Icahn to the board a validation of Yahoo’s strategy plans? Or a condemnation?

lostinvancouver said:
does anyone have a video feed? is jerry actually talking about the work that he and Yahoo! mgmt have done to increase shareholder value with a straight face?

fredbee said:
Yahoo should hire someone to read the notes on behalf of Jerry 'word stumbler' Yang... would help this thing flow better.

AgencyDude said:
I don't think the execs have ever logged into AdWords...

Very easy to buy search & display...all in one platform!

fredbee said:
i take it back. Sue - please give the phone back to Jerry - you're just as bad....



Dumb and Dumber said:
Yahhoooooooo!!! Definetaly undervalued.

We sent the cash bus to the other town to look for a company to oil the shareholders. Man that company sure will be a lucky one....one day that will be us!

stone said:
Sue is a joke and must think that idiots read these transcripts. Sue, people don't buy your spin so cut the crap. Yahoo is a sinking ship! It's time to declare a quarterly dividend and be done with growth! Missing your EPS and Operating Incone after guiding lower is inexcusable. You are failing!

Dumb and Dumber said:
Yahhooooooo!!!! Definetely undervalued.

Wait.....wait .....wait, stop the bus......

Man oh man..... we almost mest up....geeeez... how dumb can we be........the town is the other way!!!!!!!!!

whoisjohngalt said:
FYI,

Ya'll realize nothing has changed at Y! since Semel left. A couple regorgs but any real value-creating activity??

Has any new value been realized as promised?

Mark said:
LOFL. Your original title was "Yahoo (YHOO) Blows Q2". I guess results improved during the cc?

lostinvancouver said:
as said earlier - if blodget can find a way to spin something positive he'll do it... hence the article title change. by tomorrow morning it'll read, "Yahoo Exceeds Henry's Expectations"

Nope. Weak. But I do think they deserve some credit for making EBITDA in this macro environment.

pasan said:
Decker lost all credibility several quarters ago. She has consistently failed to articulate a coherent strategy for Yahoo. They have guided lower AND made several acquisitions at the same time. They still should have beat their lowered guidance because it occured during the downturn.

@Agency said:
I agree Adwords is very easy to use. It makes buying not only search & display, but also radio, print and tv advertising very easy.

What's Yahoo talking about when they say there isn't an easy way to buy search and display today? I used Google search & display ads to rent my vacation home no problem. It took all of 30 minutes to sign up, learn the system, and launch.

Real Analyst from JT Marlin said:
You all have to be kidding yourselves. Jerry could not care less about what or where the business does or goes as long as it isn't under the control of Redmond.

Weak quarter after they threw everything they had in to 1Q08 to make it seem like they have a chance. No focus in 2Q08, and weak market in 3Q08 means stock will be as high as it can be. Mid to end of 3Q08 will see the bottom of this stock... maybe around 17, at which point Ballmer buys up the stock.

Jerry is all about his legacy, not his operation of the company.

Sue Decker on CNBC tomorrow to hail this as the watershed moment and they made it through the dark tunnel by having tunnel vision (on the options they will be getting).

It seemed that Henry turned Pro-YHOO when he appeared more frequently on Tech Ticker, calls this a bad quarter (when its really bad) and tries to pat Jerry on the back with that BS comment on EBITDA in a macro sense. Henry and SAI need to post all conflicts they might have with Yahoo... besides the monetary consideration he gets from Tech Ticker.

My guess is they don't do it.

David E said:
I don't agree with name calling Mr. Blodget. He writes some pretty interesting articles and obviously has information none of us can get.

I do agree though with the previous person stating that this quarter was a horrific quarter for Yahoo.

Some other posts have also stated that since Semel left and this mass reorganization has occurred, nothing substantial has happened to the bottom line, well, except from jumping into a gift horse's mouth and trying to kill it.

What I don't know is what anyone thinks Icahn is going to do on the board of Yahoo...twiddle his thumbs and agree with a board made up of no one with real business acumen?

jost said:
Why oh why does the bumblebee fly?

Alan M said:
No Idea why anyone would want to own this stock, 48x forward earnings for an internet company that had 6% revenue growth yr/yr, Ichan won a pyrrhic victory with those board seats, not enough to turn the ship around. Yang must go, the business needs to broken up into search and portal segments and sold for $25 at best, less then $20 if they don't get a deal done by the end of the year.

joeblow said:
Real Analyst,

Would you mind doing me a favor?

Use a proble and sample the atmosphere of the planet you're on.

Is it anything remotely close to inhabitable to earthlings?

stone said:
I think it's a pretty bad quarter considering the large number of revenue-oriented acquisitions they made last year AND the lowering guidance (twice).

Neek said:
The Titanic didn't sink in 1 minute after hitting the iceberg either.

Capt. Jerry ain't gonna to make this baby float. Unless some big deal happens soon, don't expect organic maneuvering will lift this sinking ship. With GOOG deal for short term gratification and every other excuse they're putting out to puff the stock price, you can force a cheer for disappointing results but making EBITDA in the "macro environment," but you're still screwed either way.


Journalist? said:
I agree that in the interest of credibility Henry MUST post and disclose his relationship to Yahoo.

Henry, I dont want to take cheap shots here but given your past shouldnt you be going well ABOVE what is even necessary to maintain some level of journalistic integrity in all things Yahoo?

I mean, even Swisher and crew do a better than average job of this...



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