Latest Yahoo (YHOO) Chatter: Jerry and Sue Toast

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jerryyang8.jpgKara Swisher's been chatting up her Yahoo (YHOO) senior management, investor, and board sources again. So we're pleased to bring you her latest info and our latest analysis:

  • Yahoo's in talks with Time Warner again about buying all or part of AOL. Good plan, but probably won't happen, because Microsoft won't let it happen. If Microsoft is serious about being big in online ads and doesn't want to acquire Yahoo, why would it allow Yahoo to buy Platform-A (Advertising.com)? Doesn't make sense. Microsoft's bid for AOL will be "whatever Yahoo will pay plus $1 billion. Cash."
  • News Corp. (NWS) and Comcast (CMCSA) are considering bids for Yahoo, and some private equity firms might be as well. We just don't see News Corp or Comcast forking over $30-$35 billion for Yahoo, which means that--in News Corp's case--a deal would be some cockamamie MySpace+cash for Yahoo swap, and we hate the idea of Yahoo merging with MySpace. We've already discussed the logic private equity firms might bring to the situation, which gets more attractive all the time (See "Yahoo Getting Cheap Enough For LBO Firms To Pounce"). And then, of course, there's Microsoft. At this point, Yahoo's shareholders would likely be thrilled about an offer of $24-$25, which would probably be more palatable to Microsoft shareholders, too.
  • The board is considering replacing Jerry Yang and Sue Decker, who have lost the confidence of investors and employees. The "nice" way to do this (more likely) would be to allow Jerry to retire to non-executive Chairman. The harsh way (less likely) would be for the board to can him. Sue, meanwhile, is too linked to Jerry to survive. Either way, it seems safe to conclude that Jerry and Sue are just about done. So the next question is, who will they get to run the place? (Meanwhile, don't you just love this newly agitated Yahoo board? That global pasting they got after they snoozed and hallucinated through the Microsoft deal really must have gotten to them.)
  • Maybe Ross Levinsohn (ex News Corp) and/or Jon Miller (ex AOL) will be CEO, at least temporarily. After that, maybe Tim Armstrong from Google (good choice) or Kevin Johnson from Microsoft (strange choice). The good news: These names are better than any we've heard thus far. We must confess that we're just not that excited about handing the company over to Carl Icahn's buddy Frank Biondi.
  • New mandate for the new CEO, whoever he or she is? Fire people. Specifically, make the harsh decisions Jerry has been unwilling to make because he's too close to the company and too nice a guy. We're on board with that, at least conceptually. We wouldn't want to see the company cut too much, because we think there's some good stuff going on (TechTicker!), but we thought the latest round of cuts could have gone further. We're also tired of seeing senior Yahoos pursue other opportunities. Yahoo should figure out who's in and who isn't and show the latter the door.

In any event, as Kara concludes, a lot will likely happen in the next 30 days. Including, we suspect, a lousy Q2.

See Also:
Yahoo: Yes, We Blew the Microsoft Deal, But Please Don't Fire Us
Microsoft Developing Secret Plan to Seize Control of Yahoo Without Buying It



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barry hussein o. (URL) said:
A quick rant here:

Thank you for distilling and analyzing Kara's posts over here, Mr. Blodget. I find her columns to be absolutely unreadable. I don't know why exactly, but I think it's a "too much fat, not enough meat" situation. The context and analysis here is much more palatable.



Back the the Yahoo! train-wreck, though, this plans seems decent enough. At the very least, perhaps YHOO will regain some of the massive amounts of shareholder value and trust it has pissed away.

(and--in the interest of full disclosure--as a TWX shareholder, I do get a bit of a hard-on thinking that AOL could trigger a bidding war!)

barry

barry hussein o. (URL) said:
I suppose my distaste for AllThingsD.com could perhaps be from constantly having to see larger-than-necessary images of Mossberg.

Ruben Zevallos Jr. (URL) said:
Does not matter what kind decision that Yahoo will make, but only if is fast...

Roger M said:
Interesting to bring in experienced guys who can help. Not the worst idea to replace a challenged board with experience.

steve (URL) said:
concur, the AllThingsD folks seem so nice and I almost feel bad for offering even the lightest critique; but then I go back to those HUGE images of Uncle Walt. Really I do think they mean well in writing about it, but maybe should they lay off the Yahoo-MSFT are gonna do it Kool-Aide? Poll?

I just cannot make sense of the Yahoo analysis OR supposed leaks they post. It seems to me to be fairly scrambled at best; and yes, Henry is doing a public service by translating it into something that almost makes sense. i better shut up now.

gomad said:
Henry,

Thanks for the post.

It's good to see some signs of life and sanity from the Yahoo board. While it makes sense for MSFT to offer a lower bid, I disagree that Yahoo shareholders would accept a bid at $24-25. There was post on this site that made an estimation of Yahoo's value at approximately $22.5 per share. (Sorry, I don't remember if you were the author, Henry). It is still conceivable that Yahoo could reach $24-25 on it's own within the next year.

If someone wants to acquire Yahoo the shareholders probably won't accept anything less than $30, even after the recent drop.




Praying said:
IF there is any chance they could remotely get Tim Armstrong to run Yahoo! I'll begin buying. That guy is a no-bullshit allstar who can turn the place around.

bother said:
The board is considering replacing Jerry Yang and Sue Decker, who have lost the confidence of investors and employees.

I don't understand the fuss being made about sacking Jerry. It's his company, his decision to blow it or suck it. If you don't believe in his decisions, take your money or yourself out of it. Simple. He does not want to go along with Microsoft, so be it. After all who wants to be wedded to someone who is not a match?

Why make a big hue and cry of replacing the chairman etc, eh?

anon said:
To bother:
"I don't understand the fuss being made about sacking Jerry. It's his company,"

Because it is NOT his company. It is a publicly traded company as far as I know.

steve said:
correct, it is not his company - he owns a piece of it as a cofounder, but the current stockholders are the owners (by a vast majority). Jerry still behaves like the kid who created "jerry and david's guide to the web". Unexplainably, he was put into (and is KEPT in, by the YHOO board) the top executive position in this big publically traded firm. Which is sheer lunacy -- that has become VERY clear.

he is giving other tech entrepreneurs and managers a black eye just by the sheer incompetency of his behavior. I would certainly cut the guy some slack if he had offered ANY credible plan to save YHOO. There is none. They are headed straight D O W N! Please fasten your oxygen masks.

Hehateme said:
Good riddens.

joeblow said:
While I still contend the higher credibility regarding what happened during all the MSFT-Yahoo negotiations are with Yang, Bostock, Decker and the Yahoo board, it's getting harder to ignore the Yahoo stock price as anything other than an early proxy for what might happen at the annual meeting... or before it.

I'm wondering... What might be the Yahoo trading price that would be just high enough to allow Yang and Decker to survive the proxy vote?

I'd always assumed they'd squeeze by at 24ish. I think 20-25 is really in the Mystery Zone, but below 20 by Aug 1 probably gets the Yang and Decker obits dusted off and ready for print.

Anything with a "1" in front of it at least repudiates a-n-y improvements in Yahoo's operations since Jan, or any confidence in their leadership, even without the MSFT merger attempt being considered.

I know one thing for sure. I bet that Change in Control severance plan is really hanging as a pretty heavy millstone around the board's neck right about now. Carl's slate represents a Change in Control without any real evidence of the a-b-i-l-i-t-y to c-o-n-t-r-o-l... and the board evidently can't defuse the Doomsday Device in the face of the ongoing risks of a change of control evidenced by Icahn alone.

How'd you like to need a 5-vessel heart bypass operation and the only one that could do it was Carl?... and Carl quit medical school 50 years ago.

To my mind the board would have to either be totally confident they'd win a proxy vote on Aug 1, or they'll be forced to cut some partial deal with MSFT even if they don't like the terms that much. Otherwise they'll lose control a-n-d Yahoo goes into the self-destruct sequence with Carl to boot.

I understand that with one of these Doomsday Devices, once triggered and the green light flashes, then turns, first to amber, and then starts blinking r-e-d, it can't be halted for any reason after that.

I love the sci-fi metaphor!

BTW, Carl is the Doomsday Device, not the Change of Control severance plan.

stone said:
Microsoft continues to play this well and Ballmer will make his mark as ceo with this theater.

I will continue with my approach. Sue and Jerry need to be fired because they are the architects of *several* failed strategies AND Microsoft will eventually buy Yahoo for a price to be determined.

The banker that laid this out for Ballmer will earn a huge bonus this year!

Chazmeister said:
If Yahoo once rationaled Terry Semel for CEO who was a Warner Brothers, non-techie, then I'll take Mark Cuban on Carl Icahn's slate as the new CEO of Yahoo.
Everything this guy touched has turned to gold from his first Internet company, his great negotiation and sale of that company to Yahoo, his investment in HD TV, and the Dallas Mavericks.
If Mark can focus for 1-2 months on Yahoo's business, hia free and creative spirit will come up with better ideas than the current Yahoo board From Semel to Yang to Decker they've focused too much on entrenching themselves, and handing out free options to each other.

pasan said:
Henry,

Are you kidding about Ross? He's never successfully run anything. He ran FIM, temporarily, until the guys from MySpace ran him out of News Corp. forever. Ross isn't a CEO and never has been. I have to call you out when you say wonkish things that strain credulity. This is one work of fiction that could NEVER happen. For your long term viability you must stop writing things like this. Us folk that actually know these people can see right through you.

@Henry said:
Throw up a poll with the folks you've listed as potential CEOs and let's see who's the popular SAI choice.

I'm voting for Tim.

eric said:
Pasan,

First of all a five star bonus for using the word credulity! It does though sound to me like you're a pissed off ex FIM person. Levinsohn brought MySpace to the table at fox, brought the deal in and ran it well. You claim to know Ross, which I think might have been at a much lower level in FIM, as all the executives I have talked to about him seem to think he's pretty much a good guy, smart thinker and a good CEO?



Video Gamer said:
This thing has gone so pear shaped that no amount of analysis can make sense of it anymore. Its like being in one of those first person video games where you are so "lost" in the virtual enviornment that after hours of frustration there is only one solution: hit the reset button. The problem in this case is nobody knows what that means.

How much do you think Jerry and Sue would pay to be able to go back in time and do the deal at $34?

Will said:
Henry, thanks for the summary. It's useful. I've tried to follow Swisher on All Things D, but all I get is rumor rumor rumor. Maybe I haven't followed her for long enough, but I can't remember any "breaking news" from her so-called insiders that came true.

Strike that- She was right about employees bleeding out, but pretty much everyone knows that one.

If you keep posting her rumors and discussing the logic of why or why not they could make sense, it's a value add to me.

pasan said:
Eric,

I respectfully disagree on all counts, especially about being "low level" or "disgruntled". That's the great thing about blogs. You never quite know who you're speaking with.

Ross paid the most during a sale process for MySpace. It's been good for News Corp. in any number of ways. Ross deserves credit. That's where the story ends.



pasan said:
Oh, and, um, er, being a CEO of a company is quite different than being a GM of a division of a company. Sorry, sad but quite true. Any former or current CEO on this board will attest.

Bought some more YHOO at $19.82. The negativity on this site and elsewhere, means the bottom can't be far from here.

GMAN said:
Well, I know that I have said many times I am not for Jerry leaving Y. I do think though he is too close to his creation and should have made some better choices. I don't mean closing a MSFT Deal either. I am very passionate towards founders of companies who want to be evolved but remember like Jerry said "I don't want to be CEO" he has made it clear that's not what he wants to do! I think the board should have Jerry in the back burner. As for Sue, I have met her many times at Googleplex. She is a really professional. I'm split on having her let go, but I do know that she might have to go if they put Jerry on the back burner. So, today I am just ranting here. I just want to make it clear that getting rid of Jerry is not going to solve Y problems they need to move fast and start making some changes and stop the BS with MSFT and focus on a plan or start building milestones. That's my 2 cents

I don't know who Carl's slate would make CEO temporarily but their permanent pick would not be Frank Biondi or Mark Cuban! For me it has been the only way I saw a management change possible.

eric said:
pasan,

Depending on what accountability you have, I would suggest that running a division of a major corporation like FIMat Newscorp, GM is CEO. If as you maintain you are not an ex-lower level FIM disgruntledor not, then if you worked with Ross at Fox, it would make you Chernin, and that I doubt lol, (but who knows). You're right about blogs though, you never know who you're blogging with, which does make it fun verbal jousting.

eric

Good purchase Rav. Don't see too much downside from here. Barring a total market meltdown. I'm not bold enough to sell my Aug. puts for protection just yet though. Maybe just trim them a little.

pasan said:
Eric,

Funding, creating shareholder value, dealing with investors, managing a board of directors (sometimes hostile toward you), and vision. All of these are areas that a CEO must handle/provide. As a GM of a major company NONE of them are within your area of control or expertise.

I would eliminate creating shareholder value from that list Pasan.

A GM should certainly creat shareholder value.

Alex Schleber (URL) said:
Henry's prior post seemed to contain a hidden admission that the whole deal as first conceived in February was a horrible idea, by saying Jerry should have just said yes fast enough before MSFT themselves realized that it was a bad idea.

What kind of vote of confidence is that? Talk about destruction of shareholder value (both on MSFT's and YHOO's side). Unless one immediately sold all of one's Yahoo holdings (and heck, if that was your only plan, why not just sell everything at 28 or whatever it was right after the offer was announced?), there is ZERO guarantee that MSFT could pull this off and create more value than Jerry & Co.

MSFT has ZERO credibility when it comes to turning a profit on the internet, in fact, they have a negative X billion credibility.

It's been 13 years, Bill!

13 years after he told the troops that MSFT would focus all of its efforts on the internet, they still haven't made one dime on it or ever truly innovated anything internet related (despite the richest R&D budgets of any company in history). All they ever did (at best) is be obstructionist.

Think about this: Your very own money that MSFT extracted from you by virtue of their monopolist MSFT tax on PC computing was used to try and hamper the development of the internet at every turn! Great!

Thanks for nothing Bill...

I guess, its time for another "partial" bid from MSFT. Perhaps this time they offer to buy 30% of YHOO at ~$32. The MSFT stock action seems to indicate that. $26+ is here and next stop $25? Ballmer has made a laughing stock of all the walksters.

YHOO's powerpoint did an excellent job of showing how ridiculous MSFT's so called partial bid was and don't forget that MSFT was raving about the deal in that leaked memo to its own employees.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/13/microsofts-letter-to-the-troops-our-yahoo-offer-was-better/
Its clear from YHOO's SEC filing that MSFT has been a bad apple throughout this deal - no pun intended.

All you YHOO ranters, here's something to keep things in perspective. During all this hoopla about MSFT's on again and off again bid the end result so far is that YHOO has outperformed MSFT by about 25%. Numbers don't lie, people do.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#chart5:symbol=msft;range=20080130,20080701;compare=yhoo+goog;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

MSFT is in a no win situation. If they don't buy YHOO, GOOG will eat their lunch and dinner. If they buy YHOO (or whatever is left of YHOO) decline will be even more precipitous due to integration issues and all the merger related bad-blood. Vista is such a bummer that people prefer "upgrading" to XP. What's to stop them from switching to MACs pretty soon.

With YHOO stock already down to ~$19+, the expectations are set so low that even a modest boost from the GOOG deal will be enough to sustain the stock. Then there are MSFT put, PE put, AOL/Myspace put, asian assets etc... It may be good stock to own in this kind of recessionary environment because its correlated more to the deal action rather than the macro factors.


Dee said:
I personally don't know if Ross Levinsohn was good or bad at running FIM, but I do know he was running the Fox Sports group when it did one hell of a good business deal with MSN. I also know the MySpace acquisition idea was not his original thought, but he did get that deal done too.

pasan said:
In theory all employees try to create value but that's not my point. A CEO *must* create shareholder value and has a gun pointed at him all day, every day to create value for his shareholders. He loses sleep over this very issue in a way that a GM could never imagine. That's a fact that cannot be disputed. The buck stops with the CEO.

eric said:
Pasan,

Sorry didn't get back sooner, been in meetings all day, it sucks being a CEO.

Eric

Rav, I've seen crazier market devaluations in the past. Although I agree that if it were to happen it wouldn't last. I did take some off the table but I'll keep some of the puts I'm in control of as well. Those other puts would not have done me any good when the msft deal fell through.


Angela R. McBane said:
I watch, I listen and I wonder! All these people that are jumping in the water, forgot to take a shower first! They are only muddy-ing the water. Why doesn't Microsoft make an "honest" bid to buy Yhoo? Put it on the table....33 to 35 range. It is Microsoft that needs Yhoo to create the balance that will ultimately make them the "Giant" that they want to become, and that they will indeed become.....if they would only stop playing games, and get on with serious business!

I agree. Yahoo better act real fast.


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