Steve To Jerry: Sorry, I'm Not Taking You Back

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ballmerhands.jpgSteve Ballmer dismisses the idea of a Yahoo acquisition...but leaves open the possibility of a search partnership:

"We made an offer, we made another offer ... We moved on," Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer told a business luncheon in Sydney on Friday when asked for the firm's plans after a partnership between Yahoo and Google Inc fell through this week.

"We tried at one point to do a partnership around search ... and that didn't work either, and we moved on and they moved on. We are not interested in going back and re-looking at an acquisition. I don't know why they would be either, frankly," Ballmer said.

He added that he thought there were still opportunities for some kind of partnership around search.

We don't think Steve is bluffing. We think he really has moved on. But we also note that this is Steve Ballmer we're talking about: He could always just wake up one morning and change his mind.

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pumper said:
yhoo shareholders are just like those auto makers that are so eagerly looking for a bailout. how pathetic.
Mike said:
well Jerry didn't exactly ask for a deal with microsoft. Jerry made it sound like he is giving advice to microsoft... Jerry needs to go, his ego is killing shareholder value...


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emerson said:
I think Ballmer was overjoyed when the original deal finally fell through. It soured on him immediately when he was rebuffed, and then he started realizing what a mistake it was. He took steps to kill it and crossed his fingers, and lucky for him Jerry stuck to his guns. Ballmer won't make the same mistake twice.
Yahoo! said:
There are two possibilities here

1. Ballmer is really not interested in the deal: This i think is of very less probability, bearing in the mind that Yahoo!'s share of search market is more than MS's. In this case, Yahoo! will have to find some other deal or have to do some magic overnight.

2. Ballmer is pretending to be uninterested in the deal: This i think is most probable. Ballmer wants to see Yahoo!'s share falling further down and then some morning, coming up with a deal and then finally grab the Yahoo!'s search business.

Microsoft will buy Yahoo outright if that's what it takes to acquire their search. If they can just extract Yahoo search so much the better, so expect Ballmer to stick to this line for quite some while, hoping commentators, opinion and finally Yahoo itself fall into believing it. After all Yahoo isn't going anywhere, & tricky for Yang to publicly refuse a search only deal saying he belives it will force Microsoft to make a full bid when Microsoft themselves are denying having any interest in making a full bid.

If Yahoo concede to a search only deal with Microsoft, Microsoft's next move will be to acquire AOL, further marginalizing Yahoo.

Strategically Microsoft needs to acquire the more important prize of Yahoo search FIRST, not acquire AOL then risk, if Yahoo won't sell search only, also having to acquire all of Yahoo & the integration nightmare of that double acquisition. Bewkes, understanding this, treads water on the Yahoo/AOL merger talks, hoping Yahoo will concede to selling Microsoft their search & he'll then get his clean exit for AOL via a Microsoft buy.

Best interests of Yahoo are to NOT concede a Microsoft search only deal but to row it alone with their own search until Microsoft returns with a full offer - which might take some time, but will eventually occur.



Gordon said:
Ballmer was like the really drunk dude at the party who was trying to bang the really fat ugly chick because in his drunken stupor, he thought she was hot. luckily, time passed and he sobered up.
Palidin said:
On the initial offer it was, we respect the talent, bla, bla, bla..., people need to understand this is a trillion $$$ opportunity, bla, bla, bla..., this is a business of scale. Hmmm! Could it be that the scales are coming off? Or, are these guys just poker players? Based on my analysis, the reason MSFT stock initially dropped so precipitously was the shock of the offer. It came to close on the heels of statements made mid 2007 that stated, we have all we need to put together our search and ad offering, bla, bla, bla... Following that, the equities drifted lower on some expectation of decisive action to confirm the expressed conviction. Now, we have a stalemate in the sand box. What gives? Neither have signaled a substantive strategy, and execution is poor from both sides. Management, and I use that term loosely, does not seem to know how to create value. The franchise appears solid on both sides. If there synergy, then replace the current management on both sides and get someone who understands how to create shareholder value. Bonne Chance!
Gordon said:
i told ballmer here on this site to wait 12 months and you can get it for 50 cents on the dollar. now i say wait another 12 months and you'll get it for 25 cents on the dollar!

yahoo is in a negative spiral.
doh said:
Jerry is the classic entrepreneur who thinks his "baby" is worth more than it is and doesn't know when to turn the running of the company over to someone who can make unemotional decisions. I was in business with a guy like this...he basically took a very successful company that was a good merger candidate and drove it into he ground because of his ego. Now it isn't even worth the cash they have in the bank. I'm glad I got out two years ago or I might have done something bad to him.
Ken G. said:
So, the kabuki dance continues.

Now, with YHOO at $12.31 pre-market, only $5.52 of it represents true "enterprise value", after subtracting the non-earning assets and even assuming over $3 billion of tax by selling their Asian assets.

That $5.52 is only 4.2x the low-end guidance for 2008 OCF, and only 8.4x low-end FCF. This is an 11.9% FCF yield, folks.

This is cheaper than newspaper, radio, or TV station stocks. Umm, I think internet advertising has a better future than those industries. I'm willing to wait. Don't be surprised if Time Warner and Yahoo marry after TWX spins off TWC, by the way.
AOL_sucks said:
I think Steve should give it another try. Put the pride aside and finish what was started. He's going to come out the winner in buying Yahoo for less than half of what he originally offered. Jerry, unfortunately, played chicken and lost.
bob said:
I thought TW only wanted to dump a problem child on yahoo, not to actually marry yahoo.

It's cheap for a reason, make that many reasons. And, does fundamental analysis apply when we are hit with rapid and enormous changes on a daily basis?
Ken G. said:
This morning's reaction to the Ballmer news just shows how many hedge fund traders are in this stock right now for the event. When it appears the event isn't happening, they all dump at the same time. No attention is given to valuation, which is even more ridiculous now that Yahoo Japan and Alibaba stocks have recovered somewhat.

Nobody is talking about a potential TWX/YHOO marriage, which is why I brought it up as a possibility. The one way for Ballmer to get back to the table fast is for Icahn to call Bewkews at TWX and engineer a competing bid. If Ballmer knew that he could no longer let Jerry twist in the wind due to another suitor emerging, he'd change his tune fast.

Who knows. A bidding war for YHOO could erupt next year, between TWX and MSFT. Just speculating, of course.
Duude said:
Jerry has just a few months left. He will be shown the door shortly. Microsoft is finally doing the right thing. Wait, as time is on their side. When yahoo breaks and trades on a regular basis in single digits, Jerry will be leaving.
Silhoutte said:
Microsoft only wants to stick it to Google so they might encourage and take a stake in a YahoOL merger so the AOL/Google deal could be torn apart making Live the default search engine on Yahoo and AOL.

This would be a major slapping to Google.
Gordon said:
KennyG - excuse me, but i have to ask you as a long-suffering TWX shareholder, are you out of your fucking mind? a TWX and YHOO merger??? do you really think that TWX management is that dumb to do something like that given what happened with the AOL debacle? do you really think TWX would stand for that? if so, yes you are out of your fucking mind.
Gordon said:
meant to say -

do you really think TWX SHAREHOLDERS would stand for that?
Ken G. said:
Gordon, that's the first thing that anyone would think of, i.e. this is "AOL Time Warner", the sequel.

It's a superficial notion.

First of all, the AOL merger happened at the top of the internet bubble, with no respect to valuation. Time Warner also made the mistaken judgment that AOL had a future. Of all companies, Time Warner should have known that broadband was the future, not narrowband dialup.

Secondly, the valuations today are reasonable in this maturing industry. Yahoo is nothing more than a media company. It fits. It's trading at a lower multiple than other traditional media companies. It could be had at less than a 10x multiple of depressed OCF right now. I could see Bewkes liking the accretion potential and strategic fit of a merger.

As for TWX shareholders squawking that this is just another misstep by the same company that destroyed value with the AOL merger, they'll get over it. So while it's a long-shot speculation on my part, I hardly think I'm out of my "f-ing" mind.

wow
Steven Frechette said:
@Henry Blodget, I just thought of a great idea.

Apple buys Yahoo.

Leverage all of yhoo's cloud stuff (mail, flickr, etc) and create super iTunes that makes use of yahoo search. Start turning iTunes into a social network tool with the pic sharing, etc.

And then apple buys Facebook and now you have a really powerful internet company that makes sense!

Better culture fit for yahoo & apple & Facebook, plus you cement apple as a dominant internet company for the next 50 years! Think of all the free apple advertising alone!

MSFT is garbage, if they buy yhoo it will end up getting turned off in 2 years because msft is the opposite of cool.

Have a great weekend all.
joeblow said:
Again I'll say... I love Yahoo, use them all the time and hope that they succeed, although I no longer have a stake.

Still, there is a degree of satisfaction to watch what Microsoft Hate did to them. Pure and simply, just look what being a hater did to them.

"Dee Dee Dee... D-D-D...D
... Dee Dee Dee... D-D-D...D"

I'm a PC.
Palidin said:
Just thinking out loud as well. Why AOL/Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Bertelsmann, Vivendi, Sony or News Corp. for that matter. Those are all content. YHOO is access to the worlds of those players. A partnership with APPL is not far fetched. They have premium devices for the mobile multimedia world. A merger would be a premium play under the right conditions. Both valuations are low now, but that will not last. It would create a knockout blow to MSFT and gouge android in the eye. Then wrap a deal with all the media giants a an online super bazaar. It's an all IP multi-media future anyway. Games Central anyone? Whoa dude this is too far out. Back to earth. Bonne Chance!
Tom said:
Hey, where's the disclaimer about being a "long-term owner of shares".

Getting a little embarrassed Henry? ;)
Christian ter Maat (URL) said:
Whoo wants Yahoo? Their brand value is diluting as fast as its share price. Their technology is outdated and search is changing rapidly. So in fact what is left in a fire sale and who wants it? The Chinese want to control Chinese internet, so maybe a company like www.alibaba.com. The French have always, after they lost their pre-internet technique, the Minitel, been struggling to get back into the ball game. So Sarkozy Inc. (www.bull.com or www.sogeti.fr)? Or indeed a cash rich company, who wants to diversify; Apple Inc? I believe Apple would be better off to buy Logitech!

Christian ter Maat
CEO Carevolution
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We don't think Steve is bluffing. We think he really has moved on. But we also note that this is Steve Ballmer we're talking about: He could always just wake up one morning and change his mind.
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i have no idea why jerry Lang would think that Microsoft would want to go ahaid with a a deal that will take several years to complete. Of which during that time Microsoft will have to rely on Yahoo executives to give truthful relevant information. Do you trust Yahoo to be your partner?

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