Open Source Guru Richard Stallman: Cloud Computing "Worse Than Stupidity"

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stallman.jpgThe backlash to the cloud computing hype is snowballing. Now it's open source guru/fanatic Richard Stallman trashing the concept. Stallman to The Guardian:

"It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign,"

"Somebody is saying this is inevitable – and whenever you hear somebody saying that, it's very likely to be a set of businesses campaigning to make it true."

Stallman's comments follow those of Oracle (ORCL) CEO Larry Ellison a few days ago, who called cloud computing hype "complete gibberish" and "insane."

The back-to-back criticisms of cloud computing both target the hype, but the two figures have very different visions of the future. Oracle's Ellison is selling cloud computing products and poking fun at his own marketing. Stallman is opposed to the cloud because he thinks it locks users into proprietary, non-open source software. Guess which one is a billionaire?

See also:
Larry Ellison: Someone Explain To Me This "Cloud Computing" Thing My Company Is Committing To



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23 Comments

hehateme said:
was GANDHI a billionaire? No. You cant buy your way into heaven. But Satan will take your money.

April (URL) said:
Cloud computing is a marketing term that has yet to be defined in a way that anyone really understands so I agree with both Larry and Richard.
Both Richard and Larry would prefer to have cloud computing go away. Richard for the reasons you outlined above, and Larry because his company is heavily invested in and associated with the term "Grid". If people start to see cloud computing as the next generation of grid then that is a threat to Oracle.

dwight (URL) said:
If you read all of the Stallman comments, it sounds like he think cloud computing will happen: he simply thinks it is bad from a privacy standpoint.

This is orthogonal to Ellison's critique of the term becoming a buzzword. It is an overused buzzword but it is also something very real and important when the term is used with a nice, narrow definition.

The irony is that in some ways, Ellison is the inventor of (user-side) cloud computing: with the network computer concept he pushed years ago. That is really what gmail and google docs is.

MGZ said:
Real cloud computing means having access to a (usually remote) computing resource that is essentially infinite. When you can write an application and know that you can scale it to as much disk space, cpu usage, etc. as you could ever need, in an economical way, typically paying only for what you use.

There is nothing 'buzzword' about it, except when people misuse the word.

Tim Dobson (URL) said:
"open source guru/fanatic Richard Stallman"
Stallman is a "free software" guru fanatic and a leading figure of the free software movement.

Max said:
He's a goofball Freetard that looks like he hasn't showered since the 60's

Tom said:
One thing to keep in mind when you read Richard Stallman's opinion is that he will ALWAYS favor open source software -- regardless of whether that open source software is (a) suitable/appropriate, (b) cost-effective, and (c) reasonable. There are a lot of benefits of cloud computing. It's an infinitely scalable architecture, it provides the possibility of reaching your own information no matter where you are and what device you're running -- which isn't possible with a single desktop PC -- and thus it will inevitably offer advantages. And why, Richard, can't a cloud be constructed from open source components? Answer: There's no reason why it can't be. The problem, though, is that open source software typically suffers from a lack of centralized technical leadership, so actually pulling it off is damned near impossible. Who provides the hosting hardware? Do you trust them? Who do you call when things go wrong?

See, Stallman knows that he can never adequately answer these questions, so he'd rather pretend that cloud computing is a bad idea from the start. Which tells me that he's really nothing more than a charlatan. Why does he want to shut it down so vehemently? Why can't we even have the discussion about cloud computing without Stallman injecting his wrongheaded opinion? Simple: Because his GNU sandbox becomes a lot less important in such a world, and it diminishes his vision. Quite frankly, Stallman can go pound sand. Cloud computing is happening right now, with or without his approval.


Ari Herzog (URL) said:
As I recently attributed Tim O'Reilly in a recent blog post on mine about Web 2.0 a meaningless term, I remind you that Tim has called cloud computing another name for Web 2.0.

So, who's calling what marketing hype?

In the end, as long as everyone knows what "it" is, who cares what it's called?

Steve Bartz (URL) said:
In other news...
Richard Stallman said anyone who goes off the gold standard is a complete idiot.

Cindy (URL) said:
I think its more appropriate to call it time sharing. Take a term from the 60's and make it a retro thing. While we're at it we should call external hard drives as digital punched cards.

krish (URL) said:
RMS is not 'open source' guru - you can call him 'free software' guru if you want.


@Tom
RMS isnt in favor of OpenSource too. We'd be happy if he did.

@Tom

Though I wouldn't go so far as to attack Stallman personally , I do agree that his reasons are a bit myopic concerning the landscape of user use cases that exist and the fact that different architectures are better for different use cases. Stand alone software is ideal for a word processor tied to your printer, but horrible for a collaborative processing program that links you and your coworkers across the web. The first can be done well with open source software (OpenOffice) the latter is done better with a web application that provides collaborative document sharing. I think Stallman let his immediate and visceral reaction to the question or concept of "cloud computing" blind him to the nuances of the issue. One size does not fit all.

Peter said:
Guess which one is a billionaire?
Which tells us what exactly?

Neek said:
April up there hit the nail right in the head. Oracle's far too invested in the term "grid" as a competitive tool that it may seem like it'd be too late for them to embrace the term "cloud" (even if they could since semantically it wouldn't mean so much of a difference from their products' vantage point).

Stallman on the other hand is just.. well, Stallman.

Nuff said.

Vide (URL) said:
Maybe there are people who don't give a f*ck about being or not billionaires?
Moreover, get a clue and understand that Stallman defends and promotes FREE SOFTWARE, which isn't exactly the same that opensource (to be clearer: free software is a subset of opensource).
Anyway, Stallman position is completely normal, given his position. He is against proprietary and "closed" software, and the so called "cloud computing" (ala Web 2.0) is something completely closed, you don't have access to the software and even you don't have access to the system or hardware.

Felipe Alvarez (URL) said:
>Guess which one is a billionaire?
I guess all billionaires are right. Fucking retard writer.

blondie (URL) said:
Stallman calls cloud computing stupidMB7-515You don't have the right. Who do you think you are? You don't have the right to say those things. Good job. That's super.

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rain (URL) said:
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JcDuarte said:
There is no right or wrong, both Elison and Stallman are making confusion, they do not understand the basic thing: user is the king. Forget the name, what we will see is a lot of business offering services consuption using the web. Instead of building a data center, and invest lots of money to put servers, software and personel and all sort of the things you need, at the end use 5% of the resources in an average, why not buy IT as a services?

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Jane Doe said:
The future of cloud computing is corporations interfering with our lives. Oh no you cant use MS office because your internet connection is down...

"According to a 2008 paper published by IEEE Internet Computing 'Cloud Computing is a paradigm in which information is permanently stored in servers on the Internet and cached temporarily on clients that include desktops, entertainment centers, table computers, notebooks, wall computers, handhelds, sensors, monitors, etc.'"

Hey I'm Microsoft I will be able to store all your personal information and files for you, so the government can sequester it.... It's the dumbest idea ever!!!!!!!

The whole point of a PC as Bill Gates saw it was exactly that, Personal. I can tailor it for myself, and it can be totally independent. Customer independence is refreshing, I would much prefer to pay my X amount of $ for MS office so I could use it at my disgression, install it on any computer I wished, any number of times; instead of paying a subscription for cloud services.

It seems cloud computing is industry driven, and not as a result of consumer demand. Industries would only do such a thing if it gave them greater control over the market, or greater profits.

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