Google (GOOG) Worth $950-$1,050, Says Nutbag Fund Manager

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Picture 45.pngRemember all those $900-$1000 Google (GOOG) price targets analysts were throwing around last year, when Google blasted through $700? Well, those were just typical Wall Street price targets: "Stock going up? Add 20%-30% to current price, fiddle with Excel model to develop required assumptions, publish." (See "Mary Meeker's YouTube Math")

Those kinds of price targets work well as long as nothing changes--as long as the company keeps beating expectations, the market stays strong, the economy keeps rolling, the industry doesn't change, management doesn't screw up, etc. If something does change, however... oops.

What changed in Google's case is that the company stopped blowing away revenue expectations, profit margins began to decline, and mind-boggling capital expenditures compressed the growth of free cash flow. (Also, the stock market crashed). This caused Google's free cash flow to grow more slowly than expected, and the stock's multiple--the price that market is willing to pay per dollar of free cash flow--to compress. And here we are at $500 again.

But fear not! One Wall Street fund manager still thinks Google's fair value is about $1,000. Jeff Coons, Manning & Napier, as quoted in Barron's, before Google's Q2 miss:

Google's (GOOG) stock has come down to around 532, from its 52-week high of nearly 750. Is this a relatively new position?

It was a position that we bought and then took gains in the rally when it went up toward 700. Now that the stock has pulled back, we've continued to increase our exposure. We estimate a longer-term growth rate of 30% for the company. Right now, there is a lot of skepticism about Google [whose results disappointed investors last week]. We think that earnings growth is going to be higher than what general expectations are, and that this will be true longer-term. Even with very conservative assumptions, we have Google trading at about a 40%-to-50% discount to its fair value.

What are the key assumptions here?

  • 30% long-term revenue growth
  • Stock multiple well in excess of today's 30X-35X.

If Google grows revenue 30% a year over the long-term (at least five years) and maintains its profit margin, Jeff is right, Google is worth at least $1,000. However, given that Google's US business has already slowed to below 30% (28% in the past quarter), we think this is highly unlikely. We suspect Google will be lucky to grow revenue 15%-20% per year over the next five years, and even that would be spectacular.

Google is already a $20 billion company. There just aren't that many $20 billion companies that can grow revenue sustainably at 30%, especially when they're highly dependent on a single product that is nearing the end of its primary growth cycle. At the very least, therefore, we don't see how 30% long-term revenue growth could be considered a "very conservative assumption."

Jeff is right that Google is an amazing company with an enormous future opportunity. If and when it drops to a price that we think offers real downside protection, we'll buy it. Barring major revenue reacceleration, however, we just don't see the stock's free cash flow multiple getting back to the 40X-50X that drove the $750 peak last year, let along the 60X that would be necessary to make it worth $1000 today. A 25X-30X multiple seems perfectly reasonable to us, which is about where the stock is now (a bit north of there, after the Q2 miss).

What's our own price target on Google? We'll stick with the $2,000 scenario we put out there last year. The caveat is that that's a 10-year scenario, not a 12-month scenario. And we should note that growth from $500 to $2000 over ten years would give you a return that's only a bit better than we would expect from the average stock.

See Also:
Google to $2000?
Mary Meeker's YouTube Math



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21 Comments

Hehateme said:
Looking forward i don't see how google can make money from youtube or myspace like sites. Maybe they can make money from biz apps. Oracle,SAP,& IBM own the biz apps markets and won't let google steal there clients. The mobile phone market is tricky. Do people want ads that clutter there small screens? The one real growth for google is in new fast growing pc markets like brazil,india,russia & china. As more people from those countries enter the middle class the e-commerce market should explode. $2,000 sounds a little frothy to me. How about $1,750.

tb eghian said:
"Stock going up? Add 20%-30% to current price, fiddle with Excel model to develop required assumptions, publish"

Sounds like a page right out of your old analyst book Henry?

Neek said:
Seems like it's time to move beyond the advertising business, which is essentially what Google is ultimately about.

bellhead said:
Check out the *decline* this quarter of Google's UK business:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article4360186.ece

steveballmer (URL) said:
NO WAY!


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marlbalou said:
All these analysts (Sorry Henry!) have zero credibility (at least with me). If you follow their recommendations, on average you will end up buying high and selling low. To CYA, they decorate their recommendations with “outlier” assumptions and then when things don’t come to pass, they can point to these. For example, look at Goldman’s oil price targets – it somehow assumes that basic economic theory (higher price resulting in lower demand!) is not applicable.

Sufiy (URL) said:
....
http://sufiy.blogspot.com/2008/07/google-goog-bear-case-contunued.html

This valuation will translate into USD250 share price.

Valuecruncher (URL) said:
Google at $1,000 a share - today - takes some heroic assumptions.

We put some assumptions into our on-line valuation tool to see what it takes to get to US$1,000 a share:

http://www.valuecruncher.com/valuations/51473/edit

You can play what-if with the assumptions for yourself. This is nuts.

Valuecruncher did a scenario-based valuation less than a month a go for Google:

http://blog.valuecruncher.com/2008/06/a-scenario-approach-to-valuing-google-goog/

Enjoy...

john scott said:
Growth of 4x over 10 years is just about 15% compounded annually. And over that long a period it is far, far better than the averages. I'll take it any day.

dudley dufus said:
Few would disagree that Google will eventually reach such values. Google has done two things very well. First, they've put together the best search engine on the planet. Second, they have designed the best system for monetizing that growth. Google hasn't only done two things, just two things well. They are to be commended for it and in fact have been by their stock appreciation. But, they certainly don't have the midas touch. This is a shock to a lot of people, one of whom is Google. What's troubling the company right now is they're believing their own ink. The growth of the Internet is their lifeblood. Unfortunately, they have far less capability to monetize the Internet in China where a lot of the biggest growth is coming. The U.S., Europe and Japan are mature markets. The challenge to grow both revenues and earnings anywhere close to what they had been seeing is going to be extremely difficult. Add to that the feverish pace of hiring at Google and you will surely see disappointment in the future. What multiple does disappointment get? $1000 value now? I wish,......so I could short it.

BigBet (URL) said:
O you neophytes...

Google is the best of advertising + telco + software wrapped into one, with more industries to follow. If you're 20 something, put all you money with a 10+ year time horizon in Goog and never look back.


SaltLakeGooglePartner said:
Google is the greatest money printing service since Microsoft. Google's search is amazing. Google's biggest problem how to generate revenue and profits with other businesses they aquire.

If Google relies soley on search for its sources of revenue and profits, then Google stock is not worth much more than last Friday's closing price.

My bet is that Google will never be commercially successful in any area other than search and email scanning with Postini.

Google was a great stock for me as I purchased three weeks after the IPO and sold into the run up late 2007. Have been using puts and calls to play a trading range.

But long term IMHO, Google is the search ecosystem for the rest of my life.

But Google is a loser in all the other businesses they aquire.

Joe said:
I don't think Google at $1000/share is nearly as absurd as is trying to tie down a long-term macro story (e.g. the growth of the internet) to a 12-month price target. GOOG is one of those stocks you just need to buy on dips and otherwise forget about for 20 years - or what Warren Buffett would call a Rip Van Winkle investment.

Ken G. said:
C'mon, Henry, you actually think the average stock will come close to quadrupling in the next 10 years? That's what you implied when you wrote that GOOG at $2,000 in 10 years (versus less than $500 today) is only slightly better than what you envision for the average stock.

Truth be told, the stock market has gone nowhere in the last 8 years. So to presume that we will get through this credit contraction, and have enough upside to see average stocks nearly quadrupling in the next decade is a tad polyannish, by my way of thinking.


quint said:
a friend sent me this link. this analysis is all over the place. dcf analysis is clearly more of an art. you can manipulate the #s to make whatever argument you want. how about doing a reverse dcf (what does today's stock price reflect in future fcf)? take a look. its interesting. some might consider it cheap. anyway blodgett says needs to command 60x fcf multiple to get to 1000. really? thx for the insight. how about some operating leverage going forward? remember folks, this is the guy doing the great analysis earlier this decade. also, isn't he the guy that was telling everyone to watchout for click fraud a few years and a couple hundred pts ago.


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haidee (URL) said:
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