Who Owns Blog Comments?

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hankwilliams.jpgThere is obviously lots of discussion about copyright around things like music and video on the Internet, but another area that is going to be very important that is only recently getting attention is the ownership of comments.

This issue came to the fore recently when Robert Scoble commented on a post from Rob La Gesse's blog. The problem is that Scoble commented using Friendfeed instead of the standard blog comments. La Gesse and Scoble had a discussion where Scoble wanted him to move the discussion to Friendfeed. La Gesse did not want to do that, and at some point deleted his feeds from Friendfeed. This prevented the discussions about his blog from happening on Friendfeed. Unfortunately, as Mathew Ingram explains, this had the effect of deleting from public view Scoble's comments on LaGesse's blog. Scoble was upset that his comments had been deleted because he feels like he owns his comments.

The details of this story are laid out in more detail in Ingram's account of the matter, but the whole discussion got me thinking about the broader implications of who owns the copyright to your comments. Does the blog owner? Do you? What about when one comment will be viewed and under the control of more than one party, as in the case of Disqus. For example with Disqus you have the ability to edit your comments. And in some sense when you add a comment you are building a site for yourself (your collection of comments) and you are contributing to someone else's site.

In the past this was not much of an issue as blog sites have historically not given commenters much control after they hit the return key. And so the intuitive assumption though not necessarily the legally correct one, is that the blog owner owns the comments on their blog.

In fact though, copyright law gives broad protection to content creators, regardless of where they create that content. Certainly it makes sense intuitively that the blog owner would own the comment, but that may not be accurate legally. In order to perfect such ownership rights, it seems clear blogs really should have either terms of service that the commenter has agreed to, or a notice above the comment entry area that states who will own the comment being entered.

Since no blog platforms that I am aware of provide a mechanism for clarifying comment ownership rights, it seems to me that at best this issue is legally unclear, and at worst the site owner might only have the right to use and display the content in the very specific context in which the user placed the comment. So if, for example the blog owner wanted to use the comment on another site, or to reconfigure his blog in some substantial way, that might, theoretically require the permission of the commenter.

While it is unlikely a commenter is going to sue a blogger over something like this, at least in the short term, the lack of clarity is unnecessary and will at some point cause trouble for someone. Services like Disqus and IntenseDebate make the issue more complicated because they clearly provide control and display rights to two parties, the commenter and the blog owner where the comment is made.

This is a complicated problem with a simple solution. I would like to call for all comment systems to provide a mechanism to clearly indicate to users what rights they have and what rights they are giving out when they write a comment. Specifically, all that would be required is some clarifying text above the comment editing area or in a confirmation dialog box. This would be simple to do since a small number of blog/comment platforms handle most of the comments on the Internet including Google (Blogger), Wordpress, Typepad, Disqus, and IntenseDebate.

I would strongly suggest these major players address the issue, since right now we are in a comment copyright no mans land, and that can, over time, only lead to trouble.

SAI Contributor Hank Williams is a New York-based entrepreneur. He writes Why Does Everything Suck? Exploring the tech marketplace from 10,000 feet. Already a vigorous discussion of this post underway...



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Gordon said:
thanks Hank. i love your music.

insider said:
hank, you are a really talented interesting brave clear thinker and writer. thank you. i look forward to watching your work and career. good luck and keep on truckin'.

Marah Marie (URL) said:
I think I agree with you. I'm all for open comment policies and saying what you want on a blog but I'm also freewilled and occasionally I want to, say, delete an outdated page, or delete a comment or set of comments that serves no purpose on my blog. I just go and do it but then I feel unsure and kind of bad about it: I just violated someone's copyright by removing their content - and without their permission.

I'm not crazy about comments anymore. I don't care for my own no matter where I write them or about what, sometimes I don't care for other people's comments - especially on my own blog, where the quality level just offends me sometimes - and I feel comments take a lot of time and can cause a lot of distraction and misinformation. I think the Web would be stronger without them: if you want to respond to what I wrote, email me, IM me, or write in your blog about what I wrote. Don't have a blog? Get one - mostly they're free. Use Twitter. These avenues of expression strengthen everyone's SERPs and builds a real "Web", more than a bunch of barely connected blogs with mostly jibber-jabber comments on them ever will.

I'm at that point where I want to say: just go off and do that. Don't make me review and answer and spend time managing your words on my blog! Don't make me responsible for violating your copyright when I want to delete a page or just want to delete what you wrote - hey, I can't help it if I just don't like what you said, or the way you put it, or whatever it is that's ticking me off about your.

At the very least a comment policy solves many of those dilemmas by outlining what stays, what goes, and why that is. I also think screening comments is underrated as a blogging survival tool: I've been doing it for a while now with no regrets. I don't need comments as much as I thought I did. I need to write. That's about it.

t.k. said:
Blogger should have the rights to comments.

Jack Diaz (URL) said:
Hi,
Blogger can comment to any one, and it should be publish as it is. Some site dont show all comment.

N!Kadi said:
145 African children died of TB while I read this post.

ego said:
wow, hank, you really like seeing your name typed don't you? like three times in the description on the front page, five times in the article page, and using your headshot instead of a topically-relevant photo.

you must think you're pretty awesome.

Marah Marie (URL) said:
Hank,

I think you're pretty awesome. Did you use your name a lot in this post? I didn't even notice. Who cares? Great article BTW; I enjoy all of your posts (as always - your quality is always consistently high); I even made some changes to one of my own blogs thanks to your ideas here.

And sorry I left off everything I wrote after the word "your" in my first comment; that was meant to read something like:

"Don't make me responsible for violating your copyright when I want to delete a page or just want to delete what you wrote - hey, I can't help it if I just don't like what you said, or the way you put it, or whatever it is that's ticking me off about your viewpoint, your attitude or your words."

That wasn't exactly how I finished the sentece either, but it's an approximation. Somehow I deleted the end of it and never noticed. That's just another reason why I dislike leaving my own comments; since leaving a comment is an impulsive act I'm more likely to rush through it, to make editing mistakes, and to say the wrong thing entirely than if I put the same ideas into, say, a blog post. Deliberation and a lot of editing suits my impulsive style better than rushing through a comment ever will.

Thanks again for writing this.

Gareth Ochse (URL) said:
Our view at Buzzfuse.com (where we have a widget that handles comments, tags, ratings, all types of sharing, and more) is that comments are owned by the person making the comment, but are associated with the item/post regarding which they are made. Further we see comments as a vital indicator of the 'worth' of an item, and so we give users the option to comment in our system or in the system which they are used to using. More from me directly or Buzzfuse.com. HTH...

Scott Berry (URL) said:
Hank, wow great topic.

To me, at least, this is pretty clear. Commenters own the words, but the blogger is the publisher.

That means bloggers can't repurpose comments from others without permission. But they should have the right to decide to show or delete any comment they please. After all, it's their billboard.

And it's up to the commenter to keep their own copy of their comments if they want to.

Does an author have a right to tell a publisher they must keep the book in print? I think not.

Jon-a-thon said:
I don't see where the huge unknown territory is here. At least, let's assume we're talking US legal system. In the absence of a contract stipulating work for hire, content creators own their works. Period.

Many blog TOS agreements state that you, the commentor, are granting the blogger / web site an unrestricted, irrevocable license to use, republish, profit from, etc. your comment.

So its simple -- the commentor owns the comment, the blogger has the right to publish and/or republish it based on the TOS. In the absence of a contract stating otherwise, there's no reason that a blog operator MUST continue to publish a comment.

For a reasonable legal justification, look at a letter mailed from one party to another. The author of the letter retains copyright. The recipient owns the piece of paper it is written on and can do as they wish with it, but they cannot republish it without the author's permission.

Robert J. Holtz (URL) said:
I run a corporate strategy and branding practice in Los Angeles and actually paid a bonus to one of my top strategists when he posed the same internal question while we were advising on a major brand's blog site.

Here's what we determined as the best practice for a blog owner:

The blog owner is the copyright owner. The blogger, as in contributing authors are not the copyright owner unless specifically arranged or syndicated. As part of the TOS (Terms of Service) of the site, Posters (people posting comments) agree that whatever they post is a submission offered freely and that the blog owner shall own the copyright to all submissions except in the case where the submission includes material found to be infringing on a third party's copyright(s).

The fact that most blogs are moderated further affirms that the comments people post are technically proposed contributions or addendum to the master story which is, again, also contributed to the blog owner by an author on a work-for-hire or voluntary basis unless that material appears by special license or is otherwise syndicated content.

And to any blog comment poster, if you want to claim copyrights on your posts, start your own blogs or write a book. But if you post on a public website that you don't own, it means that you are posting them to be subject to the discretion of the blog owner, modified, deleted, or highlighted, reposted, etc. The blog owner owns it -- you gave it away. We contend that it is the fairest IP policy possible since anyone posting has the right in advance to decline to post if they wish to own the copyright to what they have to say.

I note the "All Content" copyright on THIS site and "Posting Rules" link on the footer of every page which could use some language to make it clearer but basically tells you that whatever you post has got to conform with SAI's policies and can not be unlawful or in breach of copyrights. That would include the "All Content" copyright on that same footer. If SAI were my client, I would advise them to beef up that language a bit but they already have the right basic idea as should all blogs, forums, or message boards that allow visitors to contribute comments.

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karm (URL) said:
And to any blog comment poster, if you want to claim copyrights on your posts, start your own blogs or write a book. But if you post on a public website that you don't own, it means that you are posting them to be subject to the discretion of the blog owner, modified, deleted, or highlighted, reposted, etc. The blog owner owns it -- you gave it away. We contend that it is the fairest IP policy possible since anyone posting has the right in advance to decline to post if they wish to own the copyright to what they have to say.

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