Microsoft Windows 7? We Already Hate It*
Such as:
Why are we going to want to touch our PC screen?
We never touch our PC screen, and we hate it when other people touch our PC screens. This will not change if Windows 7 allows us to do some of the cool things we can do with the iPhone. Why not? Because the iPhone is a handheld unit that is designed to be fondled. PCs aren't. We're not particularly anal, and we polish up our Blackberry every thirty seconds or so. What are we supposed to do when Windows 7 comes out? Keep a handy rag on our desk to constantly polish up our PC screen?
And then there's the reaching. Do you really want to wave your arms in the air when you could rest them comfortable on the keyboard? What about shaky fingers--do you really need to be reminded every three seconds that you couldn't be a surgeon? What about the wrist stress required to put your hand in a position necessary to "blow up" an image (go ahead--try it. Put your thumb and forefinger in a position necessary to expand the picture of the gong above. Talk about carpal tunnel syndrome).
Our quick take on Windows 7: Big hat, no cattle.
We think Microsoft is rushing to fix the indigestion caused by the bloated Vista. In the process, we think it is again trying to do what it has done so well in the past in every arena except the Internet: see a good idea and steal it. In this case, the idea is the iPhone (and, to be fair, Microsoft's own tablet PC). We suspect that what Microsoft is really up to here is building iPhone-killer software that it hopes to sell to everyone but Apple (AAPL). But what works on a handheld device or tablet does not necessarily translate to a full-blown PC. So excuse us if we don't jump up and down in excitement at the thought that people are going to feel better about jabbing their fat, greasy fingers into our PC screens.
*UPDATE: A Microsoft source points out that the touch screen is just one feature of Windows 7 and that, if we don't like getting fingerprints all over our PC screen, we don't have to use it. Fair enough.
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now Windows 7? WTF is up with their versioning and naming? They need to redo their CVS.
Nobody is going to touch your screen the nice spiffy hi reso screen we all paid lots of money for as its not touch screen you f*cking chimp
as previously posted touch screen availability is nice cuz it expands their market for 1 product. And also probably has something to go along with the support to the whole microsoft consumes your house thing, where your entire house is a computer. Microsoft has one of these houses built and the OS is prolly made to work with those kinds of things heading into the future potentially.
But touch screen isnt what we care about its a footprint size that people want a small one to be specific, or at least the option to keep their OS's footprint as small as possible.
As well as actually giving hardware companys ample time to design drivers for the OS so that windows Vista garbage doesnt happen
my Lexus navigation device is a touchscreen and it is infinitely more user friendly, quicker, and easier to navigate the menus than are my friends' Mercedes and BMW non-touchscreen nav systems.
also, look at the Palm PDAs/Treos and the iPhone.
Just ask yourself where Apple will be with Mac OS and Cocoa Touch by the time Windows 7 ships.
The multitouch interface demoed last night is interesting in different applications (mobile, where the mouse is irrelevant, smart whiteboards, where the size of the display and the interactive nature of the content (especially education) makes sense). In our laptop centric world, it may make limited sense, but a cheaper (and cleaner) solution is the expanded touchpad implementation you see from Apple.
I think it was brave for Bill and Steve to talk about the future of windows, but last year's table (form factor aside) was WAY more interesting in demonstrating a new UI, in terms of applications demoed on the platform. Having someone demo the interface with Microsoft Paint, a decade old application, was also a really bad choice. Even the mapping demo did little to show the platform's potential (I can drag maps around and dive in quite well on today's UI, thank you very much).
IMHO, Microsoft still has a HUGE issue in demonstrating the "why to buy" to consumers and corporations. Multitouch reminds me of the poor in-store creatives for the Vista launch, where after all that time and investment, what we saw was a mundane screenshot of the Aero interface.
There is still time to fix the issue and make Windows 7 a compelling offering, but this UI tweak isn't the path to get them there.
Apple products are developed by design geeks. They think of the overall experience, and develop features that support them. This constrains the sheer number of features that get added, as well as the pace of new features, but the result is an overall cohesion that feels very user friendly.
Thankfully there's room for both approaches in the world, and to date the marketplace for desktop PCs (ruled by corporate IT geeks, mainly) continues to vote for the Windows approach. However, as high end electronic gadgets leave the geeksphere and enter the mainstream, we'll find that the 'normals' prefer the latter approach- hence the iPhone trouncing Windows Mobile in about a day and a half after release.
This is typical MS vaporware show. Lets divert attention from how bad Vista is and maybe people will believe that we still develop good products. HA!
Go ahead MS. I know so many people that have switched to Apple simply because MS Vista and Windows are so bad!!
MS is their own worst enemy.
a mac lover said he hates Windows 7
Great.
Thanks, MS.
Degrade your users even further.
(I won't even get into the Accessibility issues with this -- how in the h*ll with people with disabilities use this!?!)
New slogan:
"MS: Killing productivity at every turn."
"josh M said: Henry may i politely call you a F*CKING mongoloid."
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josh M, that is not nice, at many levels. Let's not go there.
Touch screens are great for walk-up kiosk computers that have no keyboard or mouse. Think larger than yourself and your own specific way of using computers.
Somehow, I doubt that Windows 7 will phase out the KEYBOARD.
They'll probably have the touchscreen features for the stuff it makes sense for, and keep the keyboard for the stuff that makes sense for.
OS's are made to run applications, not BE the applications.
So I don't use it.
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The good news is that an OS with touchscreen capability could be a great advance, in the appropriate circumstances. A contextually sensitive computer interface touchscreen display that dynamically changes on the fly could be much quicker to navigate and control than a mouse and keyboard. Think Star Trek NG science station or flight console. Even the keyboard could be replaced...IF its done correctly. The computer screen would most likely be closer to your lap than a traditional desktop machine.
The bad news... as has been demonstrated so many times in the past, is that Microsoft will find a way to completely screw it up. and convolute the usage of the device beyond human imagination. We'll have to wait for Apple, or someone else, to come out with something actually useful.
While Apple is a band of idiot savants, Microsoft is just a band of idiots.
You know, that really hits the nail on the head. :-)
Well said.
And that's coming from a lifetime Mac user (one who, happily, hasn't drunk so much of the Kool Aid that he can still laugh at himself).
While I could see a few nifty applications for a touchscreen, I also see that given MS's track record, we'd better not plan on a best-case-scenario execution.
Let's take a step back and see what's going on, and see if I can explain it in a few sentences.
Is the brain good at processing patterns or following rules?
If you agree on processing patterns, read on. Otherwise, good luck.
If they brain is good at processing patterns what makes us think, we store rules in a program fashioned for a rule based engine (CPU)?
Or how come we can learn "all" for Apples and can immediately apply it to Oranges.
Well it's because the brain actually creates different "models" for the same view, rules in general are abstract models.
This is also the case for something less abstract like say, Google's big table. Guessing here based on the little we know about. Not that Google even realizes how to put it into a bigger picture.
I use the term model to link to the good old MVC (Model View Controller) abstraction. The problem I see with Microsoft is that they use one model and slap different views and controllers on it. And a multi-touch requires a different view then a mouse, keyboard driven application. Hence it will get really confusing really fast, as usual for Microsoft applications.
Why does it work on the IPhone or why does touch work on my in-car navigation system? No keyboard, no mouse, one model (really dumb system). Which makes it simple and easy to use.
So who is better at it, Google or Apple? My guess is Apple, looks to me like Google got lucky one time. While somebody at Apple seems to understand it intuitively. Microsoft just stumbles along, without getting lucky or understanding the basics of things they are copying.
BTW I use Linux, because good old Unix got a lot of things right, right from the start.
But I would like it to do, oh I don't know -perhaps work...
I really have not found a burning desire to rotate, spin, expand pictures in the last several years. Nor have I longed for learning the piano in a vertical orientation (Please explain how is that a rewarding user experience?) And I am sure excel would be a blissfull user experience with its small boxes and crappy menus.
Until there are business applications designed to take FULL advantage of touch screen, lets all keep this in the lab. And I can keep my single feature justures toward their OS.
As for the "Vista is crappy/buggy" comments made by you and others here, WTF are you talking about? I've been using Vista since it was in Beta RC1 and I have had no problems at all with it. All my devices work just like they did on XP. They all have Vista drivers that work fine. All my software works fine. It's a better interface, faster and has many more features than XP has and that's on a 2.66Ghz P4 with 1GB RAM. Lots of things work better than they did on XP (like ActiveSync which iphone idiots wouldn't know about). I'm so sick of hearing people (mainly mactards) trying to spread the lie that Vista is buggy or doesn't work. It's simply not true.
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personally I welcome the touch screen embedded at a nice angle into my desk. This would accompany a 2nd screen above it for viewing. Interactive work area hi res view area.
Why is everyone so Black or White? This has a use if you think outside the blog.
In one of the earlier posts he would blog as if he is reading between the lines about Bill G, Ray Ozzie , Jeff Bezos etc., ....come on dude I can interpret your writings in 10000 different ways. We are not in some literature class, please resort to constructive blogging else I am going to resort to a campaign to ban this guys kinda like Shirky mentions in his latest book.
The people who need to touch the monitor don't touch it with their fingers, they use a pen. The touch-screens are expensive but many people can afford a Wacom pad.
Will Windows 7 work with my Wacom pad?
What do I want from Windows 7?
Ease of use. An affordable, streamlined, stable OS that "just works". Improved search, indexing and networking capabilities. All the good features from XP made great.
Windows 3, 95, 98, and ME were versions of the first Windows operating system. Aside from Windows 3, those are the names, not the version numbers. The last version was ME and the line is dead.
Microsoft decided that software version numbers didn't mean much to consumers, so they decided to follow the example of cars and use model years. Windows 95 and 98 came out in 95 and 98. That lineage was supposed to end with Windows 98, but they had to go one more version for technical reasons. Since Windows NT 5, the other Windows operating system, already had the name "Windows 2000," they had to give the last version a different name; hence Windows ME.
Notice that Microsoft Office also switched to model years, with the exception of Office XP. It contained Word 2002, Excel 2002, and so on, but the whole package was called Office XP because someone else had already taken the name Office 2002.
Windows NT had a completely different lineage. It began at version 3.1 because it had the same UI as Windows 3.1, which was its contemporary.
The version numbers for Windows NT are as follows:
Windows NT 3.1, unnamed
Windows NT 4, unnamed
Windows NT 5, named Windows 2000
Windows NT 5.1, named Windows XP
Windows NT 6, named Windows Vista
Windows NT 7, as yet unnamed.
Windows NT 5.1 was given the name Windows XP to match Office XP. At that point, Windows stopped having model years, but all their other products still do: Office 2007, Visual Studio 2005, and so on.
If were a MS devotee, I would ask for a PC with liquid pillow screen, you know, where the monitor is designed (in the Jobian sense) to accept one's whole hand inside, yes inside, its liquid envelope, whose method was demonstrated by that liquid metallic invader in one of the better terminator motion pictures.
Since Windows users have a preference for suffering, once the hand is fully submerged and begins to manipulate the jelly-like GUI substance that forms the inside of the monitor, the enduser inadvertently triggers the Balmer switch that cuts off the hand at the wrist, and the hand is chopped off. At the same time, the intelligent jelly substance is programmed to apply a local anesthetic to the stump, giving the unsuspecting user the illusion that his hand is still successfully manipulating the new GUI interface, called the Red Grange, after that great U.S. football hero.
MS gains a new hand, and the blood as well, capitalizing and extending its historical prerogative to steal the blood and sweat of smaller developers as it steals the hands of those Pod-like lemmings that currently use the MS OS without knowing why.
And if touchscreen is the basis for ragging on 7, sit it out until a full spec list is out. It makes for more entertaining reading than this.
If you work in an office enviroment or even just on a PC all day, you'll know that for health and safty reasons you aint ment to sit so close to your monitor you can touch it as it will cause headach's and eventualy eye problems.
So microsoft are brining out a new range of a product that failed last time as its a health and safty risk in offices ..
Dont know about anyone else but i had a very good laugh at there whole press confrence bit announcing it.
Also, this isn't the Daily Kos or Huffington Post, do we really need the angry f-bombs?
Why not create a Windows 7 Kiosk version for people who want to make kiosks? It's the "kitchen sink" approach again, that always leads to immense amounts of code that is a pain to test, debug, schedule, and so on.
I really wish Microsoft would learn from its mistakes -- if just for the sake of its shareholders, if not for its customers.
"All hat, no cattle."
As opposed to "big hat, no cattle."
I also like long walks on the beach.
Now about touch screen... this time for me already gone in the 90s, when MS created it's OS for tablets... for my, it's natural to think and touch the screen, like I do with my PDA and lot's of ones does with it's IPhones and ITouchs.
The screen is mapped to reflect the territory each member of the orchestra occupies, and parallels each of their locations. While I conduct the orchestra, I also use my fingers to interface with with a control panel that controls the volume, pitch, and frequency of the sound, in order to modify the sound the audience is hearing or, for that matter, the sound that is being recorded.
Microsoft first version of NT was Windows NT v3.51 and the reason for not using v1.0 like one should was to trick users in thinking 3.51 was an update to the previous Windows, well didn't work, the only one that did trick them was Windows XP, Microsoft named Windows update to Windows Me and Windows NT update to Windows 2000 and then droped Windows and did a minor tweak to windows, skin and named it Windows XP and users were so lost they switched without relising it and that is why they had software issues as one big diferance Windows & Windows NT was in Windows would allow stuff like out & in to ports to be access by software, NT you had to write drivers, NT drivers to do low level access stuff like that.
And now Vista again a complete change, not NT not Windows, so is it no wonder they is software issues, Vista look and ways of working is copied from Mac OS X, while apple has listened to users to cut down on aqua and glass & reflection effects in the GUI Microsoft copied it and over done it too much. dosn't work for Window NT users as they are not use to Macs, yet that is what Vista is trying to be but ring to be Windows NT at the same time, Windows 7 is trying to be a iPhone at the same time now and will also fail.
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Microsoft already has touchscreen functionality on tablets/pc's... and yes, they are very beneficial if youre in a field that it may come in handy.
As for a normal desk job - of course, you dont have to go out and buy a touch screen.
Windows 7 is not a touch-screen only operating system, its simply a feature that is offered for PC's with touch screen functionality.
If most of you have read the press releases and research on windows 7, you would know that MS is removing many redundant features and focusing on functionality and usability.
So before you shoot off your mouths on a subject that your not very knowledgeable about - why dont you shut your trap and write an article on something you do know something about.
Not sure why Alley Insider would hire you for a writer position when you clearly misinformed of the information your are attempting to report about.
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I'm not sure a lot of people are going to just replace their existing monitors with ones that allow touch. I just don't think that's the "normal" use case. Instead, I think this is an OS addition to support other configurations, such as Microsoft Surface, and other non-traditional uses of PC's and Windows Embedded-type systems (for kiosks, etc.).
While there are existing touch-based interfaces out there (my Surface example being one), I think Microsoft is recognizing a general trend (yes, I recognize you can debate the size of this trend) towards the enablement of touch-based interfaces, and is trying to provide the general capability into the OS itself. This will allow the next person/company wanting to enable touch to leverage this base functionality, instead of writing and supporting this themselves. They can then focus on their value-adds to the platform.
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I get the impression from a few people that it it fear of the unknown. I get the impression people think - Ive used a mouse and keyboard for 25 years and there is nothing wrong with it.
Just imagine, hand gestures. Finished with the window?? slide your hand to the side, window has been minimised, slide it to the top, it closes.
highlight text then double tap to copy. double tap to paste. Have a scrolling menu accross the middle of the screen like on PS3 or Windows Media Center. Stop thinking that it will be vista with the ability to touch the screen!!!!!
Imagine games like red alert 3, draw a circle round your troops, tap on the map to move them or to target an enemy.
And to the person that said about typeing being slower. What you going on about? Technology has to start somewhere and then improve. Multitouch screens, why can't you touch a button on the screen 0.2 seconds after you touched the last one? where is the rule?
Problems:
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Price of screens at present! But remember prices will come down. Also remember that in 1998 for a reasonable computer with a monitor and keyboard it cost £1500, people were willing to pay that!!
Microsoft - Maybe this will not work in windows 7 (due to it being a better designed vista with touch capabilities) but if Microsoft create a OS to be completely touch driven (with keyboard option) then there is no reason why it wouldnt work.
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