Amazon Kindle a $750 Million iPod-Like Business By 2010 (AMZN)

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kindle.jpgThe Kindle could contribute 3% of Amazon's overall revenue in two years, argues Citi analyst Mark Mahaney, who has a born-again relationship with the device. Combining device and book sales in an iPod/iTunes-like model, Mark says, the Kindle could add $750 million to Amazon's top line in 2010.

These projections seem aggressive, in part because the Kindle requires consumers to significantly change their current behavior (Start building an e-book collection--vs. the iPod's ability to play music consumers already owned). But most of Mark's individual assumptions seem reasonable.

What assumptions does Mark make?

  • The Kindle doesn't suck. Like many observers, Mark initially concluded the Kindle was a bomb. He has since been entranced by the automatic downloading feature and slightly lower-price books ($9.99 vs. $18 for the physical books). In our opinion, if the device is to become an iPod-like mass market phenomenon, these prices should be even lower.
  • The current Kindle is a 1.0 product and future versions will be much sexier. This is an important point. The original iPod was about the size of a laptop.
  • The Kindle's sales ramp will follow that of the iPod but be only half as popular (i.e., sell half as many units). Hard to assess but could prove optimistic. The iPod sold 129,000 units in its first quarter. Mark puts the Kindle's numbers so far at 10,000-30,000. There were supply issues, but the current Kindle also just doesn't have that iPod je ne sais quoi. On the other hand, it does seem far more popular than we would have expected, and recent reports have suggested that Amazon is expecting to sell 120,000 units per month by the end of the year (360,000 per quarter).
  • Kindle price will drop 15% per year. Seems reasonable. Might be optimistic. The current Kindle seems vastly overpriced.
  • Amazon recognizes Kindle unit sales revenue over two years. Reasonable. Could be all at once.
  • Kindle owners will buy one e-book per Kindle per month. Again, hard to assess based on early adopters, current pricing, and limited information, but seems reasonable.
  • Kindle book sales will deliver similar per-unit profit to Amazon as physical book sales. We suspect this one is optimistic. To drive sales of the device and book consumption velocity, we would expect Amazon to drive the price of e-books down over time.  Also, we are almost certain Amazon is currently selling e-books at a loss (or at cost), because we doubt publishers are yet willing to take the risk of facilitating physical book cannibalization. Eventually, we expect publishers will see the light here, but it could take years.

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Mark Pilipczuk (URL) said:
I was an early Kindle hater, but have come around on it lately. I don't own one, but will check them out in the 2.0 version.

Having said that, I think the assumptions on attach rate of books is a little aggressive, at least at the $9.99 price point. Even though the price is high, my continuity experience tells me that 20-25% of the units will sell 1-2 books before going dormant and then slowly attrit down in usage thereafter. After 18 months or so, perhaps 25% will be buying at the 1 book a month rate.

Unless, of course, Amazon really starts pushing, i.e., discounting. As you mention, it's going to be a while before they can come to a financial agreement with the publishers that makes that work for all involved.

The other solution that Amazon can do to increase attach rate is the good old fashioned book club. (And I think this would be great and will REALLY push attach rates back up.) Amazon could tailor a veritable long tail of book clubs for their customers, unlike anything the old Book of the Month Club could have dreamed about in their wildest dreams.

I'm sure Bezos and team are smart enough to have done their homework on continuity marketing and are ready to go.

Piaw Na (URL) said:
I've bought more books since getting my Kindle than the last 3 years combined. My consumption of reading material actually went up since owning the Kindle, because Kindle makes reading more convenient. I doubt if anyone but avid readers will fork over $400 for a reading device, but the ones avid enough to read that much will buy more than a book a month.

Matt said:
Will they open up the platform for development? It's not so much the book themselves that is interesting but the ability to wi-buy on demand. How much potential is that?

Peter Kafka said:
Almost positive that AMZN losing money on each Kindle title it sells, because publishers have zero desire to cut prices for digital product (which is dumb but predictable). Need to confirm but pretty sure Bezos said as much during initial launch.

Phil Bradley (URL) said:
I presume that the only way they're going to maintain those margins after the explosion of ebook piracy that happens once the kindle hits the mainstream, is by bundling ebooks and audiobooks as a package. Seems a fair enough assumption to make.

Does anyone know why a 50% revenue recogntiion rate is being used? Is that typical for electronics? Other than returns, what other factors lead to unrecognised revenue?

What I really have an issue with is that it doesn't take into account the shifting profit margins Amazon will experience as it migrates from clicks-and-mortar business to a fulfillment platform.

Tim F. said:
Whoa! Mahaney seems to be missing a huge piece of the Kindle puzzle: the subsidized data network.

Not only does this cut into profits, it pretty much eliminates the possibility of worldwide expansion at a rate comparable to the iPod (even if you are cutting it in half). I don't see Amazon doing the work required to get whatever MVNO-like deal they have in the U.S. throughout the world.

The Amazon Fondue Pot said:
This is a fancy electric fondue pot. One of those things that a lot of folks purchase, use a couple of times and then it sits next to the waffle iron, and the Ronco food dehydrator. A couple of folks use it all the time, but a tiny minority.

HALF of iPod's sales? Preposterous. Haven't seen one Kindle live out in the world anywhere. Haven't heard one person rave about it (except on-line, of course), or even MENTION the product, let alone express a desire to get one. No "I'm saving for a Kindle", no "If Susie gets good grades this semester we'll let her get a Kindle", no "Man mugged on subway for a Kindle".

Where do folks use their iPods? In their cars. Mowing the lawn. Jogging. Working in the yard. **While reading books**. Bicycling. At the mall. How many of these can you do with a Kindle. HALF? HALF? Unless the definition of HALF has changed to "tiny miniscule portion", there is *no way* this assumption holds water.

There is ONE and precisely ONE way Kindle could grow out of of a yawn product and that is a color screen (which would mean battery life would plummet), and software that does everything a mobile person could want. iPhone is going to eat Kindle's lunch - especially once the minitablet version comes out.

"The current Kindle is a 1.0 product and future versions will be much sexier. This is an important point." Um, not. Zune 1.0 sucked, Zune 2.0 is much better. Apple sells more iPods a month than Zune has EVER sold.

"The original iPod was about the size of a laptop." Hyperbole stuck into what is attempting to be a logcial analyis, first of all. The original iPod fit in your pocket. It's dimensions were far larger than the current ones for obvious technological reasons....Kindle is large because Amazon WANTS it large. They reasoned that folks don't want to read books on postage stamp screens. You can't shrink the Kindle to a nano size factor UNLESS you go to a folding/rollup screen (which is a likely evolution for the device).





dmoynihan (URL) said:
Let's see: at a guess, device sales are probably overly optimistic, ebook sales under-rated. Amazon makes a killing on ebooks, getting as much as 65% of the cover price.

Kindle adopters are so into downloads, we have a hard time telling them 20k or so of the books are actually free online. Records for ebook sales are shattered by Amazon on a monthly basis, and appear to have doubled this quarter.


Peter Kafka said:
From Newsweek article debuting the Kindle last fall: Publishers are resisting the idea of charging less for e-books. "I'm not going along with it," says Penguin's David Shanks of Amazon's low price for best sellers. (He seemed startled when I told him that the Alan Greenspan book he publishes is for sale at that price, since he offered no special discount.) Amazon is clearly taking a loss on such books. But Bezos says that he can sustain this scheme indefinitely. "We have a lot of experience in low-margin and high-volume sale—you just have to make sure the mix [between discounted and higher-priced items] works."

mark said:
If "The original iPod was about the size of a laptop."
And: The original 5GB iPod was 4x2.4x0.78".
And: The current 160GB iPod classic is 4.1x2.4x0.53".

Then: "the current iPod classic is about the size of a laptop".

Where's the flaw?


slightly lower-price books ($9.99 vs. $18 for the physical books) slightly?

The original iPod was about the size of a laptop ?????, it was?


Book Guy said:
I just dont get it, yet. MP3 players are popular due to the fact that it isnt very easy to carry your hi-fi around with you on the train... but books are mobile. Books can EASILY be carried around! Why do you need a device to do this for you? As i only read one book at a time, i dont need to have 50 titles at my disposal.

Not everything digitized is better.

SB said:
I'm sure there are many things about the kindle that make it more convenient and perhaps cheaper than reading real-live books but the sad fact is that the # of people that read in this country is a fraction of the # of people who enjoy music. Random observation: the device debuted over six months ago and I think I've seen one on the subway in that time. I think that's a bad sign.

DC said:
Half of Ipod sales???? Come on now, please ... fondue pot said it all but that is the most ridiculous assumption in a host of questionable assumptions.

I don't get why Amazon is not putting more pressure on the publishers to help seed the market by lowering prices, etc. aren't they a big enough player now to start exerting some influence.

but even if they have to eat the costs, they should absolutely be packaging Kindle sales with an offer to get 5 titles to help fill up the device. i looked at the device but couldnt imagine spending several hundred dollars and then having to spend more to get content. Also, it may exist (someone let me know if it does) but there should be a program where you can get discounted hard copies of digital books purchased or vice versa?

i do agree a book club type subscription (via the Audible purchase) is coming and will likely be very successful - unlike music, you usually don't have too much interest in re-reading novels you've already read.

Joe Hunkins (URL) said:
Half as popular as one of the most successful devices in history? No. The Kindle will fail - dramatically - unless it morphs into a more general device and also is clearly better than the android mobile platforms most of us will be using within a few years to read, communicate, compute, and call.


Surnish Nirula said:
Agreed that the high initial purchase price is an obstacle to adoption (my wife actually won a Kindle in a contest, which is why we have one) - but:

- book pricing is significantly lower
- book sampling is easier & instant (not to mention available wherever the Kindle has a wireless signal)
- margins (once publishers cotton on to the model) have the potential of being *better* (no physical product fulfillment costs)
- eco-friendly consumers will like the model of paperless books(especially once the device itself is affordable)

What's been interesting is that the act of reading a book on Kindle is very close to reading an actual book - not the case with reading long text on any other device - I think there's clearly a good opportunity and Amazon's well placed to succeed.

Brian Anderson said:
Another key assumption that fails is the number of units in circulation. Most buyers in year 2 would still be classified as "early adopters." I agree with Mahaney's point that later versions will be a lot more sexy. Many early adopters, including me, will abandon our original kindles, especially if the price falls as expected. By FY04 book sales equates to nearly 50% of revenue and is trending upwards. A dip in units in circulation will have a dramatic impact on total revenue.

However if they start pushing 120K/month by the end of this year then we are all wrong...

LW said:
There are lots more good reasons to use one: large fonts allowing me and others to read without reading glasses; much lower prices for ebooks than hard copy new books; being able to get books any time without having to drive to a bookstore; convenience of not having to carry heavy books around or when traveling; etc, etc. I bet that owners like me buy far more than one book a month.

Damian said:
I think that if ebook hardware makers (Amazon, Sony, etc.) can get into the College/University market, then this thing can go places...students stand to benefit immensely. If the current publishers dont like it (and they won't, in the same way music publishers didn't like the ipod at first) then someone should come and take their place, enlist some academics to produce material with severely lower prices and other features (Bookmarks, stick notes, dictionary, etc). Again the industry will have to bend to the device if consumers want it...and what student wouldnt want all their textbooks on this single device (in downloadable form) at lower prices. Add in Rss feeds and easy flash card creators and I do not see what the hold-up is.

Wesley Allison said:
I love the fact that your Kindle picture is actually the picture of a Kindle birthday cake!

David Marshall (URL) said:
We got one for our company recently and was quite disappointed that the page flickers on and off every time the Kindle changes the page. On that one feature alone I would not become a user of this device. The key is to make the page swipe like Apple has with the iPhone and iTouch. if Kindle can pull this off in version 2.0, I would reconsider. Also, it does not seem to handle graphics well and is not set up for media-rich content. Personally, I am waiting for the iBook from Apple (2009 release), which will put the Kindle out of its misery once and for all.

Rob Preece (URL) said:
You've got to impute the full costs to Amazon of paper books to get a fair margin analysis. When Amazon acquires a paper book, that book takes up a bit of warehouse space, needs some sort of pull tag so warehouse pickers can find it, has to be physically shelved, then physically picked, packaged into a mailing unit (sometimes with other books, sometimes alone), and then shipped (often with 'free shipping' under Amazon Prime). Then there are the issues of shrinkage, water damage, rot, etc. In contrast, a Kindle book sits in a hard drive. When customers order, they do the work themselves. Amazon simply collects the money. The fully loaded cost of goods sold for paper is a lot higher than simply the price paid to the publisher. (In contrast, most of the Kindle's merchandise infrastructure can ride on top of what Amazon already has for its systems or acquired through Mobipocket).

The Kindle also offers a customer lock-in (good from Amazon's perspective--although Fictionwise and some others do offer Kindle editions), and provides a wonderful edge for shoppers who actually shop bookstores (yes, I can check it out at BN, but instead of standing in line and paying $25, I'll pay $9.99 (or less--sometimes much less--if I'm buying a book from a small publishers like BooksForABuck.com).

I don't know if it's going to make Amazon rich--it does rely on people reading, after all, and that's a gamble. But I think it's a good effort. I also look forward to the Kindle II.

Rob Preece
Publisher, www.BooksForABuck.com

So far I have purchased 4 Kindles, one for myself and the rest as gifts. The Kindle has completely changed the way I read. I get up in the morning and there is the newspaper on my Kindle. No more messy pages the majority of which I don’t even read. Since I purchased my Kindle I have read more in the last 5 months than the last 5 years. I carry it with me everywhere and read whenever I get a moment.

Before the Kindle, I would normally buy a new book from Amazon every month or two. Since I bought the Kindle I have purchased over 20 ebooks. It is so easy to purchase with the 1-click and wireless download. In addition, you can download samples of Kindle books which usually include 2 or 3 chapters. Consequently, I am reading a wider variety of authors and genres than in the past.



Liz Hammond said:
You are ALL severly underestimating the Kindle! I have upwards of 300 books already and have owned it since November. Also subscribe to two daily papers and five daily blogs. Oh, and one online daily magazine. i also know several others who have roughly the same usage. I have also bought one for myson and i download childres books to read to my grandsons who think the ability to choose a story qand get it right away, wherever we are is wonderful! Amazon, in my opinion, is way ahead of the pack on this one and think when figures are released the publishing world is going to blown away!

Liz Hammond said:
P.S. I read your blog via jump from Galleycat and sent my comments on ........My Kindle!

Pete D. said:
The estimate discussed in this article is wildly optimistic. Kindle will not be adopted at 50% of the ipod rate, more like 5% at best.

Recent estimates are that no more than 50k units were sold in 1Q2008, despite being featured on the front page of Amazon.com nearly 24x7 during that entire period of time.

Think of it this way: The advertising value of being at the top of amazon's page, in front of tens of millions of eyeballs per day, for months on end, is astronomically high. Tens of millions of dollars.

And wasting this prime front page real estate does come at a real cost: Amazon could have put items there that would have sold perhaps fifty times as many units as kindle over the same period of time.

Selling only 50,000 units given that kind of exposure is nothing short of a marketing disaster. Right about now this is starting to sink in over in Seattle.

Yes, they will sell a lot more units next Christmas, and yes this will undoubtedly be the best selling dedicated ebook device so far. But that's not a very high bar, and given the cost of sacrificing prime front page space, development of the hardware, etc., this will not be considered a success for Amazon in the future, but rather will be a historical footnote in the story of ebooks.

You will know that Amazon has thrown in the towel on kindle in three ways: (1) they will start slashing the price in order to move units. (2) they will de-emphasize, then finally remove, kindle from their front page. (3) they will start charging a monthly fee for EVDO because they are no longer willing to subsidize it.

I expect Amazon to give it one more try during the holiday buying season in 2008, after which you will see the above items come to pass, one by one, by the end of 2009.

But all is not lost: Competing devices will end up the prime beneficiaries of this effort.

Pete D. said:
The estimate discussed in this article is wildly optimistic. Kindle will not be adopted at 50% of the ipod rate, more like 5% at best.

Recent estimates are that no more than 50k units were sold in 1Q2008, despite being featured on the front page of Amazon.com nearly 24x7 during that entire period of time.

Think of it this way: The advertising value of being at the top of amazon's page, in front of tens of millions of eyeballs per day, for months on end, is astronomically high. Tens of millions of dollars.

And wasting this prime front page real estate does come at a real cost: Amazon could have put items there that would have sold perhaps fifty times as many units as kindle over the same period of time.

Selling only 50,000 units given that kind of exposure is nothing short of a marketing disaster. Right about now this is starting to sink in over in Seattle.

Yes, they will sell a lot more units next Christmas, and yes this will undoubtedly be the best selling dedicated ebook device so far. But that's not a very high bar, and given the cost of sacrificing prime front page space, development of the hardware, etc., this will not be considered a success for Amazon in the future, but rather will be a historical footnote in the story of ebooks.

You will know that Amazon has thrown in the towel on kindle in three ways: (1) they will start slashing the price in order to move units. (2) they will de-emphasize, then finally remove, kindle from their front page. (3) they will start charging a monthly fee for EVDO because they are no longer willing to subsidize it.

I expect Amazon to give it one more try during the holiday buying season in 2008, after which you will see the above items come to pass, one by one, by the end of 2009.

But all is not lost: Competing devices will end up the prime beneficiaries of this effort.

Here is some interesting information from the May 30, 2008 press release from Amazon.com :

"Kindle is re-igniting a love of reading -- after purchasing a Kindle, customers purchase, on average, just as many physical books, and their total book purchases on Amazon increase by 2.6x. Kindle books are also becoming a meaningful portion of Amazon's overall book sales much sooner than we anticipated -- of the 125,000 books available both as a physical book and on Kindle, Kindle books already account for over 6 percent of units sold," said Jeff Bezos, Amazon.com Founder and CEO.

Looks to me like the Kindle is doing way better than everyone has been guessing. Kindle books account for over 6% of units sold. Wow!

Lesleyd said:
What bothers me about analysts/others evaluation of eReaders and Kindle specifically is that you don't seem to be part of the target user community ie you are not already readers of physical books for personal enjoyment.

I don't respect/honor anybody's opinion on this market segment unless they meet these prerequisites:
- already are active readers for pleasure
- actually have used a Kindle for at least a month

An overwhelming number of people who at least meet the above two qualities rave about Kindle.

Amazon needs to do a couple of key things to make Kindle a real success:
- Keep wireless access to their bookstore free
- Keep reducing the cost of the device itself
- Keep negotiating with publishers to keep growing the number of eBooks.
- Resist the temptation to make this too much of a hybrid product - don't add a phone to it, etc.
Only add features that enrich its purpose as a iBook reader and the reading experience.

Lesleyd said:
What bothers me about analysts/others evaluation of eReaders and Kindle specifically is that you don't seem to be part of the target user community ie you are not already readers of physical books for personal enjoyment.

I don't respect/honor anybody's opinion on this market segment unless they meet these prerequisites:
- already are active readers for pleasure
- actually have used a Kindle for at least a month

An overwhelming number of people who at least meet the above two qualities rave about Kindle.

Amazon needs to do a couple of key things to make Kindle a real success:
- Keep wireless access to their bookstore free
- Keep reducing the cost of the device itself
- Keep negotiating with publishers to keep growing the number of eBooks.
- Resist the temptation to make this too much of a hybrid product - don't add a phone to it, etc.
Only add features that enrich its purpose as a eBook reader and the reading experience.

abhi (URL) said:
(please let me know if this isn't the right place to post this - thanks)
we just launched a social network for kindle owners and book lovers yesterday evening.
We’re in pre-Alpha - Would appreciate it if you could join and help build the community (amazonkindle.ning.com - moving to a more book oriented url during alpha)
More details at http://thekindle.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/social-network-for-kindle-owners-and-book-lovers/ including ‘3 Free Kindles in the first 3 months’ promotion and other information.


LN said:
JC, you mean 6% of the 125,000 books that are available in e-book and print format, not 6% of Amazon's total sales. There's a big difference there.


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