Next Move in the Microsoft-Yahoo Battle: Analysts, Wall Street, and SAI Readers Weigh In
At 1PM ET Saturday, the sand in Microsoft's hour-glass ran out. Yahoo's (YHOO) three-week grace period is over, and all eyes are on Microsoft's next move.
We asked Microsoft whether that move would come on the weekend, or whether we could just forget about corporate M&A wars and enjoy a Blackberry-free weekend in spring. We were politely referred to the comments Microsoft CFO Chris Liddell made on Thursday's conference call:
[U]nless we make progress with Yahoo towards an agreement by this weekend, we will reconsider our alternatives. We will provide updates as appropriate next week.
So that sounds as though we have at least 48 hours or so to refine our bets (but we're taking our Blackberries).
Over the past few days, Wall Street analysts, SAI readers, investors, and others have weighed in. This has provided a range of smart possibilities, many of which we have excerpted below (starting with "Wall Street"). If you haven't weighed in yet, please do so in the comments. We'll check back every few hours and add excerpts directly to the post.
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Wall Street: Stock prices represent the collective view of millions of investors. According to the Microsoft-Yahoo Bid Calculator, the value of Microsoft's current bid for Yahoo at Friday's close was $29.68. YHOO closed at $26.80, almost a $3 (10%) spread. If Microsoft walks away, Yahoo's stock will likely fall to at least the low $20s. If Microsoft and Yahoo agree to a deal at the current bid, Yahoo's stock will probably rise to about $28.50 (there still would be some uncertainty). If the companies agreed to a deal at, say, $34, the stock would probably rise to about $32. So what is Wall Street's bet? Wall Street appears to be relatively evenly split between:
- Microsoft walking,
- Microsoft fighting (and winning), and
- Microsoft raising its bid and the companies agreeing to a deal.
SAI: We think there is a better-than-even chance that Microsoft will withdraw its offer. We base our logic on the events of the past week (droopy Yahoo quarter, weaker-than-expected Microsoft quarter, no progress on negotiations), comments from both companies (Yahoo digs in, Microsoft starts talking about walking), and the negatives of pursuing a drawn-out proxy fight. (More detailed discussion here). We still think it is possible that Microsoft will raise its bid or fight, but a public bid raise at this point will severely reduce its credibility, and if it fights at the current price, we don't think it is guaranteed to win. We therefore think that Microsoft might walk, crush Yahoo's stock, and then perhaps come back later with a lower bid (and be hailed as a hero by furious Yahoo investors).
Stone: I doubt a proxy fight will be very distracting to Microsoft except for the small team of lawyers and bankers on the case. The average employee at M could give a hoot. On the other hand it will be enormously distracting to the Y workforce for the entire time it goes on. Here's what I actually think will happen. They will walk away purposely. Microsoft will watch Y's stock crater, then they will come back and reinstate their bid, who knows what the price will be at that point. Y's shareholders will have to take the deal after seeing the price tank.
JoeBlow:[A] 60% chance is way too high still for an abandonment of the objective MSFT stated on Feb 1. That would mean that 60 times out of 100 observations, a company in Microsoft’s situation, one: that’s written two demanding merger letters – both of which threatened to bypass management and take the offer to shareholders directly; that’s written its own employees with presupposing communications regarding the merger; that’s only just now named what would, with a walk, be a pointless and useless slate of BOD nominees, would, just at the point of enforcing the second of two threats (the second a deadline imposed mandate) widely expressed to its own and Yahoo’s shareholders and filed with the SEC, abandon the whole process because they’ve suddenly come to, as you say, Henry, a sudden sense of “acceptance and resignation.” That's not realistic in my view. Ballmer didn't write acceptance and resignation into his letter of three weeks ago. [Read more of JoeBlow's thinking here]
Mark Mahaney, Citi: [T]he most likely outcome is a deal at a somewhat (10%) higher price than the initial $31 per share offering, with four possibilities: 1) MSFT & YHOO agree at a somewhat higher price (45% probability) - The most likely scenario, we believe. 2) MSFT goes hostile with its current offer (40%) 3) MSFT Walks (10%) -- Would MSFT really walk away after stalking YHOO for two years?! MSFT has $1B in operating losses to show for its organic Internet efforts over the last year. Google continues to take Search share and is entering Display. And no other move could address the scale/liquidity challenge of MSFT's ad platform. 4) MSFT & YHOO reach an agreement at the current price (5%) - YHOO's Board seems adamant that the current bid undervalues the company.
Anon: Microsoft's going to make a cash offer (for less than $31). And if that fails, they will walk, YHOO will be trading in the teens soon thereafter, and all the cash Microsoft was going to spend acquiring Yahoo will instead be spent competing against them. Either way, advertisers and audience will leave Yahoo and Microsoft achieves their primary objective of becoming the #2 online consumer destination/advertising distributor.
Thomas: There is absolutely no way Microsoft is going to look like fools and walk away from this. Everyone in the valley would claim victory - do you really think Redmond is going to lose face like that? They backed away from offering $40/share a year ago. Now that their $31/share deal is public, there is no chance they are walking away. The would be the laughing stock of Sunnyvale/Mountain View.
Hidohoe: I do hope MSFT walks away in defeat. Drag their sorry asses back to Redmond and cry like a baby. If MSFT does walk, I agreed with Thomas, they would be a laughing stock. Look, when did management ever care about what the employees think. Of course MSFT employees hates the deal because they're going to get canned if the deal happens. Ballmer is losing money with msn,live search sucks and their adcenter platform is crap. They've already tried to go it alone - look where it has gotten them. MSN unit is in the red with no end in sight.
Yo Momma: Look like fools if they walk away? Quite the opposite. It would be the only saving grace at this point. Having worked many years for Msft in the recent past, I believe the integration would be a complete disaster. It would be, by far, the largest acquisition Msft has ever attempted and the cultures have absolutely no similarities whatsoever. I guarantee, it would be a nightmare. Nobody wants it. Employees just want to see that leadership actually takes shareholder value seriously. Whether they do or don't, the majority of employees don't believe they do and that's all that matters. I was an employee when I first heard about the acquisition but I'm not now. I actually thought it was a joke. At first I didn't think Msft deserved Yhoo (meaning: I felt sorry for Yhoo people) but I'm so disillusioned with how both companies have handled it, I don't know what to think. Classic Msft does all business negotiation via threats but Jerry and company are so delusional it leaves me speechless.
Dan Bartlett: For starters, I'm long YHOO, and it's a considerable amount, so you can imagine my queasiness. That being said, even with everything that happened since Tuesday (both calls), I can't see Ballmer giving up that easily. They are going to pursue online advertising organically? C'mon, that's as good as YHOO's '09 and '10 estimates: the corner of Fairydust and Magic Castle Drives. Even with Ballmer being the CEO, I can almost see him wanting to pursue the proxy fight almost for spite. I don't think a proxy fight with a lower bid is going to work (if it's $30 all cash, that's one thing; if it's $25, that's like spitting in the faces of those you need). How much am I being objective and how much am I wrapped up in this? Will I vaporize in the morning? I just don't know...and the Mr. Fusion in the DeLorean is once again on the blink.
Don Jones: MSFT will not walk away from this deal. Ray Ozzie's recently published memo referred to online ad spending doubling in the next5 years or so - from $40 billion to $80 billion. Advertising for MSFT is incredibly strategic. No way are they going to walk away from the second best advertising platform out there.
Gordon: "Ballmer, if you give that f***in' nimrod forty five billion dollars, I'm gonna shoot him on general principle!" - Vincent Vega
The Illusionist: Microsoft has two options, raise now or raise later. Will they raise it during a friendly dance this weekend or raise it while their proxy battle unravels in the bad way it most surely is bound to. The smart thing to do will be to bring Yahoo to the table tonight, sweeten the offer and consummate before the markets open on Monday. My (overly) simplistic guess would be they raise it 10% but keep it all under $50-billion just because it's such a scary number. If @ $31 the outlay was about $45-billion, a 10% premium would put it somewhere in the $34 range and under 50bb for the whole thing (that is still my prediction for this weekend). The reason why I think that "walking is not an option" is that nobody (with any business sense) ever puts their "final" offer "first." Since they made that offer nothing has changed, the earnings were a wash, the projections ditto.
deecee: a proxy fight was, and is, never going to happen. it was always walk away or up the price. of course you can't say such. now, granting all the arguments re culture clash and the great potetial that msft has no better ideas than yhoo has been able to muster recently, they probably have no worse (remember lloyd braun and the influx or media types under terry semel- stupid). my money is on msft coming to yhoo with a soft offer of $34-35 (yes, i know, not novel), which jerry will have a tough time saying no to (in front of shareholders). deep google integration (re search) will attract to much heat. and as for integration with aol, on any level, that is a question that answers itself.
Rav: [E]veryone is assuming that if MSFT walks, Yahoo goes under 20, with no opinions to the contrary. They don’t seem to realize that Yahoo shares now have MSFT put (similar to the Greenspan put). No one will believe that MSFT is going to walk for real and for ever. YHOO may go down 2-3 bucks, but then will attract lot of new stock buyers, because MSFT is eventually going to come back.
Sharone: When do you see a company walk away and then later get the target with a way lower price?
Check Oracle, its original offer to peoplesoft was 5.3B and after walk, it raised to 9B and then 10B to finalize the deal.
Its original offer to beas was 8B and after its walk, it raised to 9.3B.
Cookie: Did you see what Bill Gates said on Friday?
During an appearance at the University of
Washington, the Microsoft chairman at one point referred to his company
as if it were second in Internet search. In reality, Microsoft is in
third place in search market share -- although it would move into
second place, still well behind Google, if it's able to bring Yahoo
into its fold.
"Often if you're No. 2 -- and in this case, a distant No. 2 -- you
can try harder, so to speak, and try out new things that are quite
different," Gates said when discussing Microsoft's technological
ambitions in Internet search.
Whether it was a slip or a sign of Microsoft's determination to
finish the deal, the comment was the closest Gates came to even
alluding to the acquisition drama.
More JoeBlow: To those of you who seem to believe that MSFT never intended to conduct a proxy contest (bluffing) or any other form of direct appeal to shareholders designed to acquire Yahoo without the support of Yang and the board (all these elements collectively considered “hostile”): Do you actually believe that MSFT would write two formal letters saying that this is exactly what they would do and then abandon it suddenly now, right at the deadline?... only three weeks after the most threatening of the two letters was issued?... when Ballmer unquestionably knew at the second letter what both quarters would look like?... Had Ballmer at that time begun to have cold feet, that wouldn’t have been the time to escalate the rhetoric as he did. It would have been perfect then to abstain from such a letter, or even to begin to drop hints through the press that he, to Henry’s thinking, had possibly grown discouraged or resigned to not being successful at acquiring Yahoo. The offer was at that time already over two months old. Market sentiment and public opinion would’ve forgiven Ballmer far better then for getting cold feet than it would now if he walks after such a letter was sent.
MikeM: MSFT needs to be on the bid with open market buys. Take out every share available. It may take a few months but inevitably they will earn a spot on the Board.
More Illusionist: I won't bet anything on the outcome of a hostile bid other than the
price going much higher than in a friendly one. My guess, Micrsosft has been playing a textbook game: a) a premium
opening offer, b) threats of a proxy battle, c) hints of walking away
... all standard moves, nothing out of the norm. They might have banked
on a bad quarter for Yahoo to help lower the sweetner but that was a
calculated risk.
If this goes to proxy, I'll bet it’s because "Yang" was completely
unreasonable rather than Microsoft holding its ground.
Dean Wermer: Microsoft walks; does a couple of well-received smaller deals (not AOL). Reevaluates Yahoo at a future date depending on Yahoo state of play.
Aaron: I agree with Henry when he says 60% chance of bye bye deal. If by 60% he means 0%. What's wrong with you Henry? You fell for the Dog and Pony show hook, line and sinker. MSFT has been looking over this deal for probably 2 years now from every angle. Do you really think they will say, (Pinch nose and repeat) "Gee, it is just to hard now, let's just continue to tickle out balls and hope for the best because in 3-5 years we will have a perfectly horrible organically grown plan of our own." This is all a show for the people. "Look guys how hard we are fighting for you." Both sides already know were this deal is heading and it rhymes with $34.50. You are seeing Negotiating 101 taking place word for word. "April 26 to conclude an agreement." Different from "Until April 26 to accept our Lowball bid right after your stock cratered." "We may walk." We don't need you guys that bad." Kind of like, "Eh, I don't like the color of that car that much and the fender is dinged." You still want the car!!!
Anon: Yang doesn't want to be acquired, and would resist even a $35 offer. There will be no friendly takeover. What there will be is a new, all-cash offer made directly to Yahoo shareholders. Take it or leave it. In an attempt to thwart Microsoft's cash offer, Yang and co will call the Yahoo board election as soon as possible (less than two weeks). And then it's up to the shareholders. Do you sell now for a guaranteed amount well above where YHOO ought to be trading, or do you hold and hope ... for what? YHOO to hit $35 on its own? Microsoft to raise the price? Perhaps you feel like losing money on YHOO just to spite Microsoft?


Our initial and generous offer for YHOO has met w/ unfortunate, corrosive resistance by its BOD and as a result, MSFT's $31 tender is no longer valid. We have no immediate plan to act further on this matter.
If there was a way, post merger (assuming it happens) to be short Yahoo and just the MSN unit of MSFT I would quickly mortgage my house to do so. It would be a no-brainer.
check oracle, its original offer to peoplesoft was 5.3B and after walk, it raised to 9B and then 10B to finalize the deal.
its original offer to beas was 8B and after its walk, it raised to 9.3B.
Not to mentioned the strategy value of yahoo to msft. (oh, maybe the peoplesoft's strategy value to oracle is kind of similar to the yahoo's to msft; but definitely not beas.) neither mentioned the scarcity value of yahoo.
I do not know why people will think yahoo will stay at the high teens or low 20 for a long time when msft walked away. There are a lot of stuff here could play. 1. the general market, it is kind of bounceing back. 2. the well known the yahoo value exposure 3. msft put. 4 most importantly, I guess , jerry definitely already has something in his mind to defend that, he does not like law suit. anything like middle of 20 could easily to be archived such as funding from asian(jpn/china) at valuing of yahoo at the middle of 20, merging with others with cash at value of north of middle of 20, outsourcing with boost stock value of 5+ bucks. there are a lot of options there. you have to give him some credits to stand adamant.
It may be very hard to refuse a $35 offer, not because he does not want to sell, but to find a matching price even discounting the time value/uncertainty/anti-trust law/distraction which may effectively mean an offer $32~$33 current value.
yahoo does not want to sell, that is one of reason it deliberatly has this kind of earning?
not too high to give msft an reason the raise the price, not too low to be forced sell to msft at the current price.
but I still guess if going to proxy fight, or even walk away, if yahoo stock price going down a lot, yahoo should already have something handy. Other than those mentioned above, yahoo could raise the guide or whatever to show some kind of momentium to defeat the proxy fight if it is really needed.
The only thing i would like to mention is that it sounds to in this game, yahoo is very calm, not desperate at all. but, M, is kind of desperate. You know what that means.
Do you see what bill gate said on Friday?
Do you think bill think he could archive a valid silver medal to fight with google other than
a. buy yahoo
b. push yahoo to google ( is that a valid 2nd price when the leader owns 80%+ market, and you own only 6% market?)
anyway,bill, is the icon of M ,and only person really have the vision and final decision on those kind of issues I guess.
Microsoft Corp.'s unsolicited bid to acquire Yahoo Inc. is still up in the air, but maybe it's inevitable in the eyes of Bill Gates.
During an appearance Friday afternoon at the University of Washington, the Microsoft chairman at one point referred to his company as if it were second in Internet search. In reality, Microsoft is in third place in search market share -- although it would move into second place, still well behind Google, if it's able to bring Yahoo into its fold.
"Often if you're No. 2 -- and in this case, a distant No. 2 -- you can try harder, so to speak, and try out new things that are quite different," Gates said when discussing Microsoft's technological ambitions in Internet search.
Whether it was a slip or a sign of Microsoft's determination to finish the deal, the comment was the closest Gates came to even alluding to the acquisition drama. But he touched on many other topics during the event ?which felt like a combination homecoming and farewell address, as the last stop on his final university tour before he leaves his full-time Microsoft role.
With his father
Microsoft Corp.'s unsolicited bid to acquire Yahoo Inc. is still up in the air, but maybe it's inevitable in the eyes of Bill Gates.
During an appearance Friday afternoon at the University of Washington, the Microsoft chairman at one point referred to his company as if it were second in Internet search. In reality, Microsoft is in third place in search market share -- although it would move into second place, still well behind Google, if it's able to bring Yahoo into its fold.
"Often if you're No. 2 -- and in this case, a distant No. 2 -- you can try harder, so to speak, and try out new things that are quite different," Gates said when discussing Microsoft's technological ambitions in Internet search.
Whether it was a slip or a sign of Microsoft's determination to finish the deal, the comment was the closest Gates came to even alluding to the acquisition drama. But he touched on many other topics during the event ?which felt like a combination homecoming and farewell address, as the last stop on his final university tour before he leaves his full-time Microsoft role.
With his father
1. yahoo delivered its earning, planning a rosy 3 year plan, defeated the so-called down trend.
2. google is keeping going north eating both yahoo and msft's share.
3. pushing yahoo to google.
yeah. there is one reason msft thought thing is getting bad, that is time is running away. but hey, this is problem of msft. you should have , at the first beginning, talked to jerry privately and sincerely and then go to public if broken ; or raised price to gain more support. You can not blame others for your own failure. maybe it is time to make up your own failure.
"A Microsoft Yahoo Merger Doesn't Matter"
http://snipurl.com/25wpw
-To those of you who seem to believe that MSFT never intended to conduct a proxy contest (bluffing) or any other form of direct appeal to shareholders designed to acquire Yahoo without the support of Yang and the board (all these elements collectively considered “hostile”):
...Do you actually believe that MSFT would write two formal letters saying that this is exactly what they would do and then abandon it suddenly now, right at the deadline?... only three weeks after the most threatening of the two letters was issued?... when Ballmer unquestionably knew at the second letter what both quarters would look like?
You should take note that MSFT’s online operations are still quite good proxies for what both Google and Yahoo do in their operations, at least the gross revenue outlook. They are superb statistical samples of the overall business of the industry, like a poll objectively conducted in politics. Yahoo’s quarter was no surprise to Ballmer, and by April 5th he knew what MSFT would report probably within a quarter penny rounding error. And yet he still threatened Yang with a three week deadline then?… It doesn’t make any sense he’d do that and now walk… no sense at all.
Had Ballmer at that time begun to have cold feet, that wouldn’t have been the time to escalate the rhetoric as he did. It would have been perfect then to abstain from such a letter, or even to begin to drop hints through the press that he, to Henry’s thinking, had possibly grown discouraged or resigned to not being successful at acquiring Yahoo. The offer was at that time already over two months old. Market sentiment and public opinion would’ve forgiven Ballmer far better then for getting cold feet than it would now if he walks after such a letter was sent.
Now, I'm willing to admit that neither letter said e-x-a-c-t-l-y how they would begin hostilities, but there was no mistake in either letter that the object would be to no longer consider the matter to be fruitfully and amicably negotiable with Yang and the board.
-To those of you who think MSFT might benefit from a punitive withdrawal of the offer, only to return triumphant with a penalty bid in the summer:
…And then you assume Yahoo’s stock would “crater” on the withdrawal now. You would then have MSFT come back with either the same or a lower offer (it wouldn’t be as much fun without a spanking, huh?) in the summer, for management and the board to then come crawling to MSFT, hat-in-hand and anxious to accept the deal in the face of threats that a war party of blood thirsty shareholder braves was about to burn down the headquarters-soon-to-be-winery building?… That the plan?… and you further assume Yahoo would accommodate the maneuver by conveniently holding off its annual meeting to the earlier of approximately June 12th or July 11th (Friday).
See, you’ve been brainwashed by the media reports of the maximum extension of time until Yahoo has the meeting. And let’s not forget it’s even reported how Microsoft might have to go to Delaware Chancery Court to force Yahoo to even HAVE the meeting. It’s provided for in the code if you want to read it:
http://delcode.delaware.gov/title8/c001/index.shtml#P-1_0
Quoting:
“The Court of Chancery may issue such orders as may be appropriate, including, without limitation, orders designating the time and place of such meeting, the record date for determination of stockholders entitled to vote, and the form of notice of such meeting.” (end)
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All that just builds anticipation that Yahoo would in all cases seek to extend the meeting out as far as possible or try somehow to stonewall and prevent having one at all. Maybe, but I don’t think that’s the case if MSFT walks.
You let MSFT walk from this deal next week and you’ll see a Yahoo annual meeting get scheduled all right. Yahoo’s probably got the blank-dated announcements on standby for just such an event… They probably even have a truck idling and ready to dispatch them to the Post Office the minute MSFT walks.
Aren’t you overlooking the fact that Yahoo doesn’t have to delay the meeting to facilitate your convenient planning on the behalf of MSFT’s terrorist withdrawal and renewed summer assault?
If MSFT were to publicly walk away from their proposal completely it would then be very convenient for Yang to call the soonest meeting he could and complete the annual meeting. Not only would that remove MSFT’s opportunity to replace the board until the next annual meeting, approximately mid-2009, but it would give Yang free reign to effect changes in the BOD structure and create additional stopgaps against a hostile takeover later.
The new board slate recently leaked by MSFT could just play "Go Fish" while the press laughed them off the planet for being worthless and meaningless pawns.
And all that just leaves MSFT dead in the water in its online efforts to compete with Google for the doubling of online advertising revenue by 2010. Worse, they couldn’t even begin to compete with Google until they could best Yahoo as a competitor. You folks have put together a trendy little terrorist plot for MSFT… but you forgot that they’d be car-bombin’ themselves with the plan.
And you forgot the car-bombin' that Google and Yahoo would be doin' on MSFT's cash-cow op/desktop.
I tell ya... you terrorists are all the same. The minute things don't work for you, you pull out the explosives and the fuses.
With a higher bid, yes. But at the same price? I'm not so sure. At least 35% of stock is in hands of those who appear to be holding out for higher price, which means Microsoft has to get an affirmative FIRE JERRY vote from almost all of the rest. And given that a lot of shareholders won't vote, this seems tough.
And that's 3-4 months from now. If Microsoft has any intention of raising the bid to grease a proxy war, why on earth wouldn't they just do it now, when they could wrap the whole thing up in a weekend?
while msft wants to pay at most $35.
msft goes hostile with $33~$34, it may win. but will that be better win now with $35+? hard to say.
However, if msft saying $35 now, friend merge. take it or drop it. yahoo is simply hard to match that.
the problem is that Jerry does not want to sale, it really does not matter 20~40 for him other than he knows that with 40, msft will be scared. with 35, he is hard to defend his realm.
That is why msft should have the posture to break the lock. if msft is , at very beginning , willing to pay $35, why not now, at the last min?
Yahoo! is not grasping the bigger picture that Ballmer and crew see, the synergies between the two are required to compete with Google.
I have to say that Microsoft has done a lousy job of making this case to the general public and market specifically.
The biggest disappointment of course is the naive resistance by Yahoo!
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Yes, because they'll bid enough to get Yahoo's shareholders to accept it. I don't know what that amount is, but I just think it's not at or less than 31.
Let's set that amount as "X" and then discuss your question further.
I think they'd offer the shareholders the same price terms ("X") that they'd have calculated that Yang would have deemed in definitive negotiations to be the minimum price he wouldn't be able to prevent the shareholders from demanding him to accept. That might sound confusing but it's really not.
In other words, if we assume Yang had negotiated rationally and not been able to refuse, say, 33-35, even though he personally would've wanted more, then I expect MSFT would bid that "X" in a hostile tender offer if they wanted to have a high expectancy of it being accepted. It may be that Yang could simply not rationalize this distinction and thus imparted to shareholders an assumption that they wouldn't take less than he would. But they would, without doubt.
I don't know what that amount is for MSFT, but I've always anticipated it was higher than 31. I agree with you fully that the value of the current proposal might just fall flat in a hostile tender offer. You know I've written that often in other topics.
I don't think MSFT would be giving away the slightest bit of face by raising it in a direct offer to the shareholders. Everybody on the planet expected that Yang could get a somewhat better price with amicable negotiations. I mean, how many times did Ballmer leak that he'd only consider "raising" the bid if Yahoo came to the table? MSFT wouldn't feel any less amicable toward the shareholders who they also feel that Yang is depriving of opportunity. The story would just be "why should be punish the shareholders?... It wasn't their fault."
Henry, you know as well as I do (you better because of your analyst background) that the little additional amount that MSFT would need to bid to get all the shares they need in a hostile tender is chicken feed for their EBITDA future. It would be like saying a qualified individual looking for an excellent deal on a new car wouldn't pay 47k instead of 44k for the deal, if he really wants the car and knows the car may not be available for even 47k later.
It's also like saying that if they've made a big mistake bidding 31, that the mistake would be any more recognizable at 34 or 35. Now, yes, it might go from not being a mistake at 31 to being a serious mistake at, say, above 40... but there's nothing about MSFT's tactical needing to acquire Yahoo that 10% either way would have much significance.
Apparently Yang demanded 40 and I think that is beyond all possibilities for MSFT. They probably eye Yahoo's value on that sort of basis, but they've got risks and they need to discount Yahoo's value to some rational net present value.
I have no doubt that Yang could've gotten 34 in a cake walk and potentially as much as 36-37 maybe, but anything resembling 40 and MSFT would've just concluded formal negotiations and resolved to go hostile. If they go hostile now, it will just be under the assumption that Yang missed his change to garner some higher bid they'd likely now offer the shareholders to close the deal.
As joeblow explained above a +/- 10% is not a big deal for MSFT considering their financial condition and how desperate they are for YHOO. They have all along been trying to get a friendly deal, so I doubt they would go hostile at this point. Also I believe that Yang won't accept anything below $40 for a friendly deal, which MSFT can't afford due to the negative effect on its stock. I think the most likely outcome at the end of this weekend, would be that MSFT would pretend to walk, just to see the effect on YHOO stock. After a few weeks of this pretension, if YHOO stock goes down significantly, they will come back with a hostile $31 offer. If YHOO stock remains unchanged or goes up (I know, very few people believe in this scenerio, but its likely in my opinion, depending on market conditions), then they will complete a friendly deal with Yang in the $35 - $40 range. They would have a good justification and a stronger stock for this at that point.
Assuming this is how it plays out and MSFT walks on monday, the way to benefit from this is with a hedged options play is as follows:
1. Its stock will go up short term. Once it settles, buy Jan 09 puts on MSFT.
2. YHOO stock will react and fall down a few bucks . Once it settles, buy Jan 09 calls on YHOO.
3. Also buy GOOG Jan 09 calls.
After a few months, its likely that MSFT would close on Yahoo. In that case both (1) and (2) will make money. If that doesn't happen, then (1) and (3) will make money and cover any losses on (2). If YHOO makes a deal with GOOG to outsource its search, then all of them (1), (2) and (3) will make money.
In the worst case, if nasdaq crashes, (1) will make money probably not enough to cover losses from (2) and (3), and if nasdaq rallies big time, (2) and (3) will make enough to cover any losses from (1). At this point nasdaq crashing seems like a low probability event based on valuations.
My guess, Micrsosft has been playing a textbook game: a) a premium opening offer, b) threats of a proxy battle, c) hints of walking away ... all standard moves, nothing out of the norm. They might have banked on a bad quarter for Yahoo to help lower the sweetner but that was a calculated risk.
If this goes to proxy, I'll bet it’s because "Yang" was completely unreasonable rather than Microsoft holding its ground. The intangible risk for Microsoft is being cast as an even bigger bully for a generation that is fast viewing it as a company from the silent era?
At the end of the day, the power holders of the Yahoo stock will prevail. These guys buy, sell at a premium and move on. They have no attachement to Yahoo, its CEO, his dreams, aspirations or views on the state of the universe.
If we are not seeing a deal yet, it’s not because Microsoft is not willing to pay rather Yang not willing to play.
reevaluates yahoo at a future date depending on yahoo state of play.
I believe there is only one likely outcome that makes any sense here. Microsoft ups the ante by tossing in another $3 or so per share, and make the offer all cash, in exchange for a quick and easy process. Jerry can can save some face, Microsoft can accomplish what they set out to do, and can give itself and its shareholders new hope going forward.
Microsoft throwing around meaningless jibber such as saying they offered a 61% premium for the company, so everyone should accept it, is not productive or realistic. If someone offered $46/share for Microsoft today (approx a 61% premium), would they feel the offer was so so generous they had to take it? I doubt it. They would fight to stay independent or fight for a better price for their shareholders, which is what they should do. It is naive to feel Yahoo should have thanked Microsoft and jumped at this offer.
Jerry Yang needs to accept reality and accept the deal, then get on with his life...this is not about just him, even though he make think it is.
C'mon kidds, learn to get along and play nice.
And then life goes on.
Weird how the offer was 10% below what YHOO was trading for in Nov. (34) 3 months before the deal was announced. If you had any pride would you accept anything under that? If you were selling a car you set the price 10% over what you really will accept. That way coming down makes the other guy feel better. Same for buying a car. Your first offer should never be your last best and final. The low ball allows for the raise and makes the other side feel better when you do raise it. Especially for a 45 billion deal.
You are seeing Negotiating 101 taking place word for word. "April 26 to conclude an agreement." Different from "Until April 26 to accept our Lowball bid right after your stock cratered." "We may walk." We don't need you guys that bad." Kind of like, "Eh, I don't like the color of that car that much and the fender is dinged." You still want the car!!!
What if someone lowballed Goog after it hit 412 with, "Hey we will give you 667 suckers." Lots of people would have said, (Pinch nose and repeat), Oh, please let's take the deal we are so scared. Growth is slowing, paid clicks are down." Henry sure fell for the paid click thing.
Sure Goog is a million times better than YHOO but you get the point suckers.
Remember to get to 34 it would take 4.2 billion more. You can't just look at the numbers. To Microsoft that is less than 3 months of profits. (They make 4.5-5 billion per quarter for those who have not done their homework) If you saw a car you wanted and you low balled the guy, does he have to accept it just because no one else is bidding? No, he could just make you wait 3 months. If you are filthy rich are you going to pony up or wait 3 months?
Sure MSFTs shareholder may not be happy short term but management is not looking short term. So they can not wait anymore, they can not go hostile and they will pay the 3 months profits for the friendly deal.
My Odds:
Hostile: 0.000%
Walk away: 0.000000%
Deal at 34-35: 100.6%
Deal at 34.5: 65%
See you at 34-35 in 24 hours.
There are easier and more obvious option plays for this merger.
Only a retard like Rav will think of the retarded solutions that he has provided.
Damn. he's retarded.
PS Kudos to joeblow for many insightful, informative postings on this subject.
What there will be is a new, all-cash offer made directly to Yahoo shareholders. Take it or leave it.
In an attempt to thwart Microsoft's cash offer, Yang and co will call the Yahoo board election as soon as possible (less than two weeks).
And then it's up to the shareholders. Do you sell now for a guaranteed amount well above where YHOO ought to be trading, or do you hold and hope ... for what? YHOO to hit $35 on its own? Microsoft to raise the price? Perhaps you feel like losing money on YHOO just to spite Microsoft?
So much for rational markets and business decisions.
Henry-
Any chatter about what is going on today?
Has there been confirmation of a meeting? Or are we at a stalemate?
What is Yahoo's excuse for not coming to the table?! They are setting themselves up for great liability and a shareholders revolt if they dont at least come to the table and try to negotiate a better deal. Sticking to a 'we are worth more' mantra is a joke. They are not.. they have not been able to execute for the last few years and are losing ground. All of a sudden with the same team they are going to start regaining share and accelerate growth? Come on Jerry... do the right thing.
This is getting ridiculous...
I am out in a heartbeat if I can get anything over $30 for my shares right now. I have absolutely no faith in the management of Yahoo or the BOD
Lets get these overpriced investment bankers together.. let them earn some of their money and hammer out a deal already.
Now since we are just sitting here killing time until we hear something, here is a crazy idea and I'm not sure if this was ever brought up anywhere else, if it did hat-tip to whomever have thought of it... I think the best marriage here would be Apple and Yahoo. Now before you grab your pitchforks and torches and come after me think about it for a second.
Apple which by all accounts is still a Computer company has reached the top of its game, it too finds itself with no "second act" and worse yet zero relevance on the web beyond a music store. Apple of today is looking more like Sony 10 years ago. Companies like Amazon for example are making more in-roads in traditional computing (AWS) than Apple is in web-relevance.
But Apple more than Microsoft knows how to be stylish, it knows how to build beautiful products and applications it can do no wrong with the younger generation and has one of the hottest "brands" going. Which is precisely why it's a company trapped at the top of Everest with no where else to go but down.
Believe it or not I think Apple is exactly in the same boat as Microsoft with the exception of being the darling in the spotlight rather than the monster atop the cathedral. Apple can turn Yahoo into a viable asset and the combined logo might not look all that bad even.
What I surmise from the press readings is that Ballmer and Yang are not talking to each other. The memo exchange in the press between the two organizations often refer to meetings that were had between their management team as if in third person. Specifically, I remember the letter authored by Yang that reminded Ballmer that he was present in some management meeting where facts regarding MSFT bid was discussed. It is as if they walked into the room and shook hands diplomatically and sat as observers in a meeting that was run by others. Is this any way for two CEOs to do business? What is the matter with these two guys?
I agree with JoeBlow that the deal will get done at a higher price by MSFT taking the bid directly to shareholders. And it will be accepted. If there is one thing MSFT has done with this long drawn-out game is that they have demonstrated that the current offer is a fair and generous one. To even those holding out now a sweetened offer will give exactly the incentive they need to break the ranks and join the party.
End result -- Yang will walk away from his company loved neither by his team nor the public.
The way I look at it, Google wins either way: The very fact that they launched this hostile bid proves that MSFT can't compete, and Yahoo's even having to entertain it proves the same thing.
How will an at best extremely difficult, protracted combination of the two change this underlying dynamic? It won't.
Google can rest easy.
Check this recent post on issues behind Google's recent Q1 surprise numbers... the story is all in those numbers:
http://businessmindhacks.com/post/why-recent-google-q1-earnings-should-have-your-ears-prick-up
While MSFT and Yahoo are wasting brain cycles on this battle (and they have precious few to spare), Google is refining their Universal search and Adwords/Adsense every day, like clock-work.
Q2 numbers will tell the tale.
why-recent-google-q1-earnings-should-have-your-ears-prick-up
What are your thoughts on this weeks Barrons article that MSFT will no way back out of this Yhoo deal and the expected take-out price is $33-$35?
Think of it as you would think of an unrequited love...chances are it is not over yet (such things almost never are over when you think they should be).
Likewise, when you are hotly pursuing someone, you never win them over by issuing threats, deadlines, or ultimatums. The best you will get for playing that card is laughed at or ignored. The worst you will get for it is the other person's resistance, drama, and possibly a bloody fight. You want to avoid the appearance of forcing the other person's hand at all costs, in order to encourage cooperation. That is the card that Ballmer is playing. He seems like a rough man so no one easily guesses what he's up to lately, and that's a good thing, since it proves how subtle he can be. He wants Yahoo as much as he ever did...but he'll wait until he can wait no more before he finally moves in for the kill.
I think you should footnote me for my "Hook-Line and sinker" comment. While I know it is a common expression, I did use it in my diatribe just before your post. But I did like what you had to say.
On to the people that say things that annoy me. (Seriously, pinch nose and repeat these quotes because it is really fun) "40 billion is crazy to pay for a horrible company, they should use it to buy others and grow from within."
I will now list the other options MSFT has besides Yahoo:
Now onto the 45 billion thing. You could also say that at 40, 30, 25...... it is a lot to you, me and maybe even JoeBlow, but not to MSFT and not with your future at stake. YHOO is not horrible, they are just not Google but they are clearly the best of the rest. MSFT has been growing their own thing for 10 years. How's that worked out.
Next quote: (Pinch Nose) "MSFT should just pull the bid and walk. Then in three months they can rebid lower then vote out the board." Look at the money they will save. Isn't that a genius idea."
No it isn't a genius idea you Giant Talleywackers. God I get so mad sometimes. Of course they could pull the bid, walk, rebid, pull it again, replace the board, rebid, then do it again on the open market just for giggles for 25.
I am enraged once again just writing about it. Do you really want to take the shareholders and employees of YHOO and grab them by the ears, slap them around, bend them over the table, kick them in the balls then jam 25 down there mouths. MSFT has to work with these people. They are not bidding on plastic donkeys at a Tijuana flee market. Unbelievable.
In the short run the bought company should be getting the better deal in return for the buyer getting the long term gains. That is why you need at least the 52 week high for YHOO (34-35).
MSFT is not Larry Ellison and YHOO is not PeopleSoft.
(Pinch Nose) "They are already getting a 62% premium. God what more do they want."
Enraged I am once again. Remember MSFT bid right after the whole market tanked and YHOO pulled the "Headwinds" thing. AAPL, Google, also disappointed and got it right up the A. Sure their futures are a lot brighter than YHOO but YHOO probably would be at like 22-23 on its own now.
Nothing really changed from when they were 34 in Nov. They were showing slower growth and losing share to Google back then. Same deal in Jan. just with a bad economy to boot. MSFT just timed it great and bid for them in the worst market since 1929. They for sure were in the ballpark but not their best and final shot.
There always comes a time and place when you just have to put your cards on the table and quit dicken around. This could go on forever to try and save 2-3 billion. MSFT has said a lot of things that the press has taken to mean "No raised bid from MSFT" That is not what they really ever said. They have danced around it and insinuated it but not once have you heard "We will not go higher than 31."
But they did say and were very clear about one thing which I do believe. "Time is of the essence."
Bottom line, I want to hear what Henry B. really thinks about what will happen. We will let you do a redo on your 60% call. I would also like an apology from Marah Marie for the plagarism.
Good day to you.
I think Aaron's numbers may be pretty close. If you take the closing price of Google and Yahoo on January 2nd and assume (big assumption) that Yahoo is doing just as good as Google, at the Friday closing, Yahoo would be at $18.83 (down 20.6% from it's January 2nd close of $23.72). After the infamous "headwinds" comments and less than stellar results for Q4 CY07 and Q1 CY08, it's hard to see why Yahoo would have had less of a slide than Google.
Because of the current Microsoft offer, Yahoo's current closing price is 42% higher than the hypothetical $18.83 price point. It's not hard to believe that maybe Yahoo might hang onto half of that and end up holding onto a $3.60 bump, putting it at $22.40.
Microsoft will end up buy Yahoo; just not sure which way they go about doing it.
***I have no idea if this is accurate***
... but if this represents accurate reporting, it's probably a significant indication of bartering toward something definitive, whether anything is worked out... or not:
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1445323/
They did overpay for aQuantive. Yahoo looks cheap by comparison.
Unless Yahoo puts out a release stating that leading into the 11th hour they have made some serious overtures towards negotiating a price rather than simply letting the offer expire without an earnest "counter," it will cost them an easy 20% drop in market value by 10 am! Obviously Microsoft has no logical incentive to put its release out before Yahoo explains what might have transpired this weekend.
If on the other hand Yahoo declares that they asked for a reasonable bump (10% maybe) and Microsoft simply shrugged and gave them the finger, then they will garner enough support for the proxy fight. Only then would the tables turn on Ballmer and he will be left holding the short end of that stick. He’ll still have to pay up, lose good Yahoo folks and solidify his company’s status as the evil empire.
It's whatever explanation Yahoo gives in the next 20 hours that will determine the outcome of this soap opera.
Thanks for the compliment. I read most of the comments, including your own, after I wrote mine, so the copying-effect was entirely unintentional (a wonderful coincidence, though!).
Hopefully there will be some news soon...can't wait to see how this Texas two-step between MS and Y turns out.
Do you have a link for the capital structure and the major shareholders of Yahoo? Isn't it the determining factor on whether or not a proxy battle has a chance?
My GUESS is that there are less than 15 parties (individuals and institutions) control more than 45% of the equity.
they will raise it. whether or not it will be enough for yhoo is another question.
For an extra $20B or so, Microsoft should buy RIMM. Windows Mobile is never going to be able to compete with RIMM and Apple, and it's only going to get worse with Android on the way. RIMM's bread and butter is enterprise accounts, something Microsoft understands. There will be huge growth in wireless over the next ten years, and there are obvious synergies between RIMM's and MS's businesses. The Blackberry OS is everything Windows Mobile should be, but will never be.
I am not long RIMM or MSFT.
Let it go Balmer, Yahoo is already crippled. Now find a better way to fight Google.
-Des
http://techwatch.reviewk.com/
Which it doesn't.
In my view, Google is only giving counter to play the part and not be too obvious, while secretly rubbing their hands at the prospect of a doubly-listing Micro-hoo "super tanker" that won't be going anywhere fast. They can make everything about the deal more difficult just to do it and win even more of a headstart in the interim.
When will MSFT or Yahoo start to compete in a meaningful way? If they could do it, why not right now? Mixing a set of UNIX and MS Windows Server programmers/experts isn't going to help, it's going to hurt... these people are already eying each other with emotions ranging from disbelief to contempt.
Look at the numbers from Q1, they tell the story as far as any supposed "gains in reach" will go: Google 70%+ and monetizing more efficiently all of the time, Yahoo at 15% and fading, MSN at 8.5% and stagnating despite all its Live efforts...
And their combined 23.5% (if it's still that much by the time this ill-conceived idea actually were to happen) would likely continue to stagnate or even sink further. And the argument that the global (non-U.S.) share/growth could offset all of this is dubious: As those markets mature, it is likely that they too will also gravitate to the most mature/useful paid search tools, the stuff that works.
This is a marriage of non-virgin anyway. The groom has nowhere else to do and the bride is going nowhere.
This is a marriage of non-virgin anyway. The groom has nowhere else to do and the bride is going nowhere.