New York Passes "Amazon Tax," Could Set Nasty Precedent

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eliotspitzer3.jpgThe New York State legislature has signed off on an Eliot Spitzer plan where it will become etailers' responsibility to collect state sales tax. Gov Paterson is expected to sign the bill into law.

If the bill survives expected legal challenges and other states follow suit, the value proposition offered by online retailers will be reduced (via higher expected prices). This, in turn, could slow the growth rate of etailers like Amazon (AMZN).

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With the passage of the hotly debated state budget last night, New York legislators approved a bill that will require many online retailers to begin collecting sales taxes on purchases shipped to the state, even if they have no operations or employees working there.

New York Governor David Paterson is widely expected to sign the measure.

The so-called "Amazon tax" closes a loophole for Internet retailers who derive sales through affiliate programs in which Web site owners place a link to the merchant on their site and earn a commission on sales made from referrals. In lobbying for the bill, the industry group representing New York retailers had argued that the exemption from the sales-tax collection requirement gave out-of-state online retailers an unfair competitive advantage...

The controversial bill ends what for many New Yorkers had been tax-free online shopping, and experts predict that other states could follow suit with similar provisions. Consumers are required to report purchases they make online from out-of-state companies on their tax returns and remit a use tax, but many people are either unaware of that obligation or ignore it. Collecting those taxes from individuals has been an administrative impossibility.

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scott said:
Why wouldn't Amazon simply ban New Yorkers from participating in their affiliate program? How much could they possibly be making from it in NY? If they did that, they'd a) save the cost of conforming and b) allow us New Yorkers to happily buy products on their service without paying sales tax. Yes, they'd upset their New York based affiliate customers, but would that really hurt them in the long run?

It would also be a great way for them to send a message to the NY government, if they were so inclined and it might act as a warning shot across the bows of other states considering the same measure.









Gordon said:
now you have the double-whammy of SHIPPING charges AND SALES TAX. friggin Democrats. they never met a tax they didn't like.

B. Hadd said:
Best approach is not to follow New York's lead, rather instead have other states pass a bill that only requires New York E-tailers as well as any other New York retailers selling items to people in other states to collect the other state's sales taxes. Much more effective than either doing nothing or passing a New York style bill. Only then, would they see the light.

James O'Boston said:
Gordon, the risk is not that NY is lined-out, but that the other states (all looking for money right now) will quickly follow suit, ending the tax-free thing altogether.

As a consumer, this bums me out. I did even divert a purchase to Amazon last week because i could skip both sales tax and shipping.

However, as a former retail store operator who worked as a liaison with local government, I can also see that this is only rationalizing and leveling out a marketplace that is not fairly operated right now. I doubt that anyone would really want to see the world change so that there are no local retail stores, only mail-order shops... when you buy at retail, you are not only paying sales tax that they are forced to collect and remit, but also the implicit cost of shipping.

Note that prices of goods purchased from a retailer have a lower built-in shipping cost, because of the efficiencies in volume shipments.

If the world were well run, then a squaring up of online and offline taxation could ultimately lead to a lower overall tax rate. That seems to never happen, but, well, it could.

Rex Smith (URL) said:
Wasnt this the guy who was charged with the prostitution racket, and now they want to listen to the lunacy that he has proposed....Forget it and ignore it ...simply allow clients to setup outside of NY or Cuba....is so maybe this tax is unconstitutional....

epc said:
Wonder how this will interact with the existing imputed "use tax" on NYS tax returns (in which NY can either list line by line their out-of-state purchases and compute sales tax, or pay some % of their income, regardless of whether or not they had out of state purchases).

steve said:
How about govt( federal/state) ACCOUNTABILITY first?

RE: dem taxes - I guess it's the true independent/logical thinkers that understand that polititians on both sides have you fooled into thinking your in their club and they give a **** about you and your family.

Gordon said:
i bet Spitzer is as much of a hypocrite when it comes to paying his taxes as he was with the hookers. he should be audited asap.

Adam said:
James, Of course your paying for the distribution/shipping cost when you buy out of a brick and mortar store. But the per-unit shipping costs of distribution vs. end-customer fulfillment are excessively different. Distributors to stores can reduce the shipping costs to fractions of a penny (e.g. ship it slow and in large quantities), whereas online retailers are shipping to a single customers in mostly 1s and 2s standard or faster.

In fact, the biggest disadvantage that an online retailer has over a brick and mortar store is the lack of a physical presence to bring down distribution costs and interface face-to-face with customers. How is leveling the tax field for both making this disadvantage level for an online retailer?

What this legislation really translates into is a tax for large online retailers. Because why? Because an interest group of NY retailers decided that the likes of Amazon are scary and they didn't want to use their own huge advantage of physical presence to compete.

Gordon said:
silda is looking GREAT here -

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/04/13/gal_spitzer-4.jpg


matt said:
Why don't the NY retailers fight to get rid of the sales tax?

dan said:
There has been a law that sales tax on out-of-state purchases has to be paid. They are now arguing over who collects it. This is not a new tax, just an increase in accountability. Before this proposal, you could cheat on your taxes, and not pay the required Use tax on your out of state purchases. Now, they're asking the retailers to collect that tax.

This is nothing more than using retailers like Amazon to act as a collection agency for something you already owe. Stop complaining that you can't cheat the government anymore!

Fergal said:
"The controversial bill ends what for many New Yorkers had been tax-free online shopping"

How do they figure we've had tax-free shopping? The NYS income tax form has a field for unpaid sales/use tax to out of state businesses. There's a suggested amount based on income, which is a high estimate. Sure, you can enter 0, but tax software and online services will warn you that you'll be more likely to be audited. So even people who haven't ordered anything online from out of the state are just putting in the suggested amount - that's pure profit for NYS, and more than makes up for the few people who do enter 0.

If this new law stays in place and that question shows up on our income taxes again, that will be double-taxation!

dethinc said:
Why was this country formed? I do not think it was to get taxed to death on everything we buy, do, or have.....I think it was the total opposite..Read up and see what we in the usa and certain states get taxed on... Getting way out of hand... I also live in central ny....

Tracey said:
According to Seeking Alpha, NY State is now trying to repeal this tax. They realized how much it pissed everyone off I guess.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/86766-amazon-overstock-gamble-may-pay-off


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