AOL "Disintegrating"; Also, Why Curt Viebranz Was Fired*

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*UPDATE: AOL spokesperson Tricia Primrose strongly denies several assertions in this post. Specifically, she argues that AOL's business is strong and that Curt Viebranz's dismissal had nothing to do with his reluctance to embrace certain revenue targets. Trish's full response follows the post.

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We spoke to several sources close to AOL (TWX) yesterday to get some color on why the president of Platform A, Curt Viebranz, was suddenly sacked after only five months on the job. We also got an update on the state of the company, the AOL-Yahoo (YHOO) talks, and Jeff Bewkes's current thinking.

The Sacking of Curt Viebranz

CurtisViebranz.jpgWe have been told that Curt was fired by AOL's COO, Ron Grant, because Ron wanted Curt to commit to revenue growth that Curt did not believe was possible given the rapid deterioration of AOL's owned-and-operated properties. We have been told that Curt told Ron he could not deliver Ron's numbers, and Ron sacked him.

We have also been told that the initial Platform A concept was poorly defined and that Curt was essentially destined to fail. Lastly--in contrast to the assertion above--we have been told that Curt was not fired because of revenue targets but because Ron had lost faith in his ability to rapidly and smoothly integrate multiple companies into Platform A (Translation: In Ron's eyes, Curt was incompetent).

Our understanding is that Curt is and was well-respected within Time Warner and is considered a strong executive. One source believes the numbers Ron wants to achieve are very aggressive--accounting neither for the deteriorating economy nor the decline in value of AOL's general portal advertising inventory. The source says revenue at AOL's owned-and-operated properties (a.k.a., the portal) is falling off a cliff, and that the relatively small revenue at Platform A cannot offset this.

Update on The "Turnaround"

One source suggests that, by hiring and then firing Curt as the president of Platform A, AOL has just wasted another 6 months in its "turnaround." Lynda Clarizio, the new head of Platform A, is well-liked, but she was passed over for the Platform A job in favor of Curt only 6 months ago. Lynda has close ties to Ron Grant from back in the AOL business development days. A source suggests, however, that, as recently as 6 months ago, Lynda herself was in danger of getting whacked for perceived insubordination.

On a more macro level, our sources continue to have little confidence in the leadership of Randy Falco and Ron Grant. Randy is considered to be a straight-shooter but one who still knows little about the Internet. Ron, AOL's COO, is thought to be smart but lacking in people skills and management experience. When describing Ron and Randy's leadership, our sources repeatedly used words like "inept," "clueless," and "amateur hour." Prior to being installed as AOL's COO, one source complained, Ron had "never run so much as a hot dog stand."

Given that we have heard similar sentiments for more than six months, we inquired as to why Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes doesn't do some sacking of his own. Our sources believe that Ron was Jeff's "hatchet guy" during Jeff's early days as Time Warner COO and that Jeff feels he owes Ron a debt of gratitude. Installing Ron and Randy as AOL's new leadership team was also reportedly one of Jeff's first moves as COO, and he apparently feels he has to stick by that decision.

We should also add that we believe Ron and Randy are in a very challenging position (as is Jeff, for that matter). It's not clear what, if anything, can be done to save what's left of AOL, and many of Ron and Randy's challenges have been inherited.

AOL-Yahoo Negotiations

Two sources say the AOL-Yahoo negotiations are continuing, but mostly at the Time Warner level (which suggests to us that they aren't yet that advanced). We continue to believe that an AOL-Yahoo combination would make sense, but we don't see how the deal could possibly be more attractive to Yahoo shareholders than the Microsoft (MSFT) bid. Thus, although the negotiations may eventually produce a formal deal proposal, we don't expect it will be seriously considered by Yahoo's shareholders.

Jeff Bewkes's Current Thinking

A source suggests that Jeff Bewkes is currently planning to give the AOL "turnaround" until mid-year to work. If it doesn't, the source suggests, he will then sell it or spin it off.

Bottom Line

AOL, according to one high-level source close to the company, is "disintegrating." We have heard or seen nothing in the past six months that makes us disagree with this assessment.

*UPDATE: As described above, AOL strongly disagrees with some of what our sources have told us. AOL spokesperson Tricia Primrose provides the following statement:

“It is absolutely untrue that Curt Viebranz was dismissed because he declined to hit revenue targets. The move to put Lynda Clarizio at the helm of Platform-A was tied to accelerating the consolidation and integration plan for our industry-leading advertising business. Moreover, to suggest that AOL’s business is disintegrating is also absolutely untrue. AOL has made tremendous progress in turning around the company while simultaneously transitioning from a subscription-based business to an advertising supported Web business. We’ve had five consecutive months of page view growth for our programming areas and Platform-A continues to be the #1 ad network with 167 million UVs and a domestic reach of 90%.

NOTE: In the original version of this post, Henry mispelled Lynda Clarizio's last name.



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61 Comments

frustrated said:
Yeah Jerry share holders are going to love this deal over getting bought by Microsoft. Come on Jerry put the crack pipe down and get to the table. It is embarrassing please save some face, please get to the table so everyone does not think you are a total bozo with no chance of ever doing anything after Yahoo, oooppppsss that’s right you already made all of your money, sorry forgot for a minute.
As I said before everyone I know at AOL wants out, the two TV guys running the show that AOL employees call Burns and Smithers do not know what they are doing. Their guy they put in power tells them that they can’t hit the sales number and he gets fired, ohhhhhh boy they are in bigger trouble than I thought.

Henry Blodget said:
Jamie, thanks. I didn't delete your comment because I didn't like it. I deleted it because it was irrelevant to the AOL discussion. If you want to remind people about my history with Eliot Spitzer, please do it on the Eliot Spitzer post.

Jamie M said:
ok...

Jamie M said:
but just so you know you are still much lower than him!

Eric said:
So Jeff Bewkes screwed the pooch, anyone who has had anything to do with AOL since the axe fell on Miller knows that! Let's look at the evidence...
1: Got rid of Miller who had galvanized the troops and put a strategy in place that was not only working but also had won over a little bit of Wall Street for once.
2: Put Randy Falco in who, in his first meeting with snr staff didn't know the difference between a page view and an impression, smart move there Jeff.
3: Put Ron Grant in to run the show. Ron was not and is not well liked, but more importantly had no experience. He had not run anything before, not a dept ot a hot dog stand.
4: Turns out Randy is a figurehead doing nothing and having to do nothing but collect a check.
5: Ron thinks he knows everything. When he arrived at AOL his arrogance entered the building 10 minutes before he did. For suck a short guy he has a tall opinion of himself.
6: It turns out Ron hasn't got a clue what he's doing. He changes search, (the low hanging fruit of AOL revenues), and looses $100MM in that quarter alone. Remember Miller never missed his number for 17 quarters.
7:Everyone has bailed. Literally any executive worth his salt left when Miller left, all the junior guys were promoted and given fancy titles, but there is now a very inexperienced snr staff.
8: Randy is still sitting in his office wondering what an impression is.
9: Grant decides to put his buddies in charge of certain depts. ...only he doesn't really have any and most leave.

So where are we now. They've missed their numbers, lost their exec staff and leaders, lost major advertisers like University of Pheonix, ($200MM) and countless others. Staff moral levels are at an all time low. When people leave they cannot be replaced because no one wants to join a sinking ship. Everyone is looking to leave. Ron still thinks he knows what he's doing. Randy has now progressed onto playing online games in his office. And let's remember where and how this all started...

It was a Monday afternoon, Bewkes was down with his "smithers" Ron Grant, at AOL to rally the top snr execs. Miller was there, and Bewkes sat on stage at the offsite telling everyone that Jon was doing a great job and AOL was in a good place, with a solid turn around. Tuesday morning the NY Times called Miller to ask him about being ousted. Miller knew nothing.

Bewkes it has turned out that you and your boy are the ones that know nothing. Where's the TWX stock? where's AOL's $1.2BN EBITA gone? Great start to your leadership.

Eric said:
Tricia fails to point out that the change from a subscription based business to an advertising based business was under Miller. She fails to point this out because when Miller was at AOL she was so low on the totem pole, she was not in any snr level meetings. But she was a mate of Ron Grants and so now she runs corporate communications as an EVP!!!! It's laughable.

Miller instigated going free.
Miller instigated change from subscription to advertising.
Miller instigated a partial network strategy. Only with a high CPM driven targeted core that will drive up revenues.

Grant lost money tunring eveything network aand driving down CPM's
GRant lost money by reducing the programming offerings that drove the high CPM based business.
Grant lost money by changing search.

So Trish...where's the $1.2BN EBITA if everything's going so well?

Mike said:
Why isn't anyone on the Street strongly questioning Bewkes' management ability if he places two completely unqualified individuals to run AOL? Most of the problem is at the unit, but it seems the parent is only exacerbating the spiral towards death.

Eric said:
Mike,

He doesn't have the ability to remove Grant and Falco as that was his first "Big" move as head honcho. Forget the street asking questions, believe me they are, (have you read Pali Capitals Rick Greenfield's reports?), instead ask, why did the board to TWX immediately accept Bewkes as CEO, no other candidate was looked at, not even from the interior. To be honest if you look at the CEO's in TWX, someone like Phil Kent actually has more experience than Bewkes, but it was only Bewkes put forward and the board rolled over. THe board is meant to protect the best interests of the company, if for just cosmetic reasons they should have seen other people. Bewkes is not a CEO, a leader nor a smart strategy guy, he relied on Albrect at HBO to give him continuous hits...what has be brought to the table so far?

Doug T said:
Heh. Trish misspelled "misspelled."

Sux said:
Of course you can lay it down on the Parent also. Who sets the division targets? Who approves the plan? Who approves acquisitions? It's all Time Warner. While people say the merger was a disaster, I wonder who it was more of a disaster for? Time Warner's old media assets are not growing and AOL has been hampered with Corporate jokers who are on training wheels when it comes to understanding the new media landscape.

Insider said:
One thing to consider, Curt has always been someone you could trust and is honorable. Can you say the same things about Ron and Randy? Don't think so.

jenkins said:
Curt is absolutely a straight shooter but maybe a little miscast for the role of head of platform A. He's a media guy not an ad tech guy.

Jim said:
Friend sent me a link to this thread with subject title: People with nothing better to do...

For starters, both my friend and I are former AOL types - we left over 4 years ago. Both of us senior, managing large teams.

I guess I have nothing better to do - because here I sit contributing...

Henry, how can you publish such a report based on "sources" that are clearly using you for emotional venting. While your writing above does address facts about who was released and who was promoted (old news as of yesterday), the facts stop there. This report exists to embellish and embrace rants of unhappy employees. There is no credibility here...you are a tool for funneling thoughts of whiners. Who are your sources? Don't need names, but give a sense that these are people who know what they are talking about. An answer along the lines of "I trust them" doesn't cut it. You are making a living off these "whiners" so your trust doesn't count. How do the readers trust them?

As I read the comments and conjure visions of your "sources", I have a mental picture of angry 26 year-olds who are bored in their job and life, and believe they know the world. TW shareholders don't need these folks wasting time at their cubes not doing productive work. I can only imagine how empowered these "sources" feel because you (Henry) stroke them and make them feel important... I imagine they all sit at inside cubes, looking for approval.

If you are going to attack people, give facts to back it up, not rants because someone is emotionally immature, or doesn't like a certain person. It is a fact all large companies have immature, insecure employees on the workforce (and it can be a big number). That is a fact of life for management. I am just amazed they get this platform.

And as far as this notion of Falco not knowing on day-one internet fundamentals...besides the bitter underlying tone, and the general fact I don't believe it...who cares. I suspect he was hired because of his track record in managing and leading teams at wildly successful media companies. Smart people only need to see things once to figure it out. Generally, give me strategic business acumen backed by track record, and smarts to learn fast at the CEO level - everyday. Don't know if Falco is the right guy - but measure him on tracking to plan...not some clever line fed to you by bitter "sources" that reads "inept," "clueless," and "amateur hour."...that is a waste of pixels. Facts please if you are going to trash.

This stuff above belongs next to the article talking about what Paris Hilton had for lunch today.

Henry Blodget said:
Not sure I care what Paris Hilton had for lunch, but I imagine a lot of other people might (and I suppose it depends what she ate).

In business reporting, I have often found that it is executives who go on the record that have a real agenda--and craft their words to advance it--while those who stay on background often just speak freely. Of course they're emotional--they're people--but that doesn't mean they're full of it.

If this were a book or a 10,000-word New Yorker article, I'd talk to 50 people for a few hours apiece to try to get as accurate a picture as possible. Even then, though, it would depend in large part on the people I was able to talk to, their personal perceptions and agendas, and whatever external facts I was able to verify.

In the piece above, as with all SAI posts, I've reported information that I found to be credible (I left plenty out--some much harsher and vivid than what we've printed), and I've clearly noted where it is in conflict. As always, I've also modified or at least noted any facts or assertions that someone in a position to know tells me are inaccurate.

Eric said:
Hey Jim,

If Randy is such a superb strategist, can you point to SOMETHING he has done in the past year for AOL, apart from of course, missing the numbers, screwing search, not understanding the business he was put into run. Look at it this way...I am not saying Randy is an idiot, his success at NBC proves he isn't, BUT if you were hiring the next CEO of AOL, a multi billion dollar global online business with billion in revenue and (what used to be), $1.2BN in EBITA to TWX, would you hire Randy Falco? I am also a very senior ex AOL exec with great insight into what happened and what is happening inside AOL, and it's a train wreck of major proportions. The fish stinks from it's head and the three heads that stink are Jeff, Randy and Ron.

Jim said:
Henry, my reaction would "fair enough" if there was balance. However, the reporting is all one-sided. What about the good things going on...and there are good things. I listened to the last TW earnings con call, and have seen AOL presentations at conferences, I know a few folks still there...there are very good things happening.

And what about the complementary views many people have about senior management? Those views do exist. Living here in the DC area, I know that to be true from direct conversations. And yes, these same conversations include "issues" to be clear, but it is not one sided by any means. Maybe these complimentary views are not available because positive views are not as interesting to share as negative and hence they don't reach out. Or maybe you don't ask. In any case, those views exist.

It seems to me you are focused on "likability" from sources that operate from a "bitter perspective" as their starting point. To assume they don't have a personal agenda is folly.

Look, AOL is running uphill. And they have tripped, and will trip again...as will all web properties. But the emotional attacks, and lack of what I perceive to be facts supporting your writing is where I disconnect.

As you mention, you are quick to modify when you gain more info. However the proverbial "horse is out of the barn" by then...so that falls short of being earnest, especially when your theme appears to be "trashing".

You are right, there are people out there who care what Paris had for lunch. Just like there are people who enjoy reading emotionally charged blogs that attack, regardless of sources, and the truth. So you have an audience, I get it.

Brian said:
As someone who was laid off this past year after 12 1/2 years of service to AOL and was there during the Time Warner AOL Merger it all started started going to sh*t after the merger.

Nothing was ever getting done, everything that was promised to come about after the merger never did. There was nothing but in fighting between AOL and Time Warner. I saw deals come and go that would have made AOL Time Warner one of strongest companies today.

More than seeing my fellow employees being laid off by the thousand's and being replaced by idiots from India or wherever nothing hurt our morale more than seeing the decline of our company due to the inaction of management period.

Hard work was rarely ever rewarded while during a time when we were losing money execs where still getting multi million dollar bonuses. I grew up with a strong work ethic and would have been embarrassed to accept these kind of bonuses while the company I'm supposed to help succeed loses money left and right and cost workers their jobs.

The money I've seen wasted on pie in the sky projects could have set me for life and then some.

I laugh when people can't seem to understand why the company is failing and has been failing for several years. The answer is easy.

It's the management stupid!

Brian

Nick Charles said:

so, "jim," not your real name, of course. I know that Corp Comm is not above putting people (even sr executives) up to posting to make it look like there are disputes about the "facts." So, let's focus on facts:

1) How many quarters have Randy and Ron hit since joining AOL in 2006?

2) Since 2007, what has been the trend in page views?

3) How many employees have left in 2007 (not counting those who were fired). What is the turnover?

4) I see in another article that Bewkes predicts some more "flat quarters" for AOL--how many of those were there during the Miller regime?


So, if you really want to focus on facts, why don't you give us answers to those questions, with no additional spin.

Up for the challenge, "jim?"


Henry Blodget said:
Jim, there are definitely parts of AOL that are doing very well. Such as:

-Ad.com (Tacoda, Quigo, etc.)
-Money and Finance
-AIM (Still very powerful)
-TMZ (awesome)
-Mapquest

I've written about many of these over the past six months. I've also talked extensively about the parts of AOL I think would be valuable to Yahoo or Microsoft, why these would be good combinations, etc.

More importantly, this blog has had hundreds of AOLers, past and current, contribute comments or other information. Some has been positive, some negative, some neutral. We're happy to have all of it.

In this case, Curt's departure was startling to me, and I didn't understand it. So I asked a lot of questions. I reported some of the answers and, as usual, I then got some additional answers. I've recorded the ones I regarded as credible and relevant above.

If you know people who think that things at AOL are going great, I would LOVE to hear from them. They can comment directly on the blog, or just send us some emails (tips@alleyinsider.com). I'll create a dedicated post for them: Things That Are Going Great At AOL--and then I post it and let other commenters have at it.

MeAnd2000ClosePersonalFriends said:
Hey, Jim:

First of all, nice to see that AOL Corporate Communications allows its spinmeisters to post here to counter all of Henry's nasty, negative vitriol.

#smirk#guffaw#ROFL#

Darn, I couldn't even keep a straight face typing that. I mean, come on, bud. I was one of those set free on Bloody Tuesday 2007, and I remember vividly the early days of the AOL/TWX merger. TWX was the lessor of the two parties in this merger until a couple of little films--you may have heard of them, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone--suddenly shifted power in the relationship, and from then on out it was like AOL was a piece of gum on TWX's shoes.

You ask about why no one mentions "the complementary views many people have about senior management? Those views do exist." Really? Where? Among other Sr. Execs giving each other high praise and great GOALign scores? Because trust me, you only have to spend a few minutes talking to the real people doing the real work in Dulles to get a pretty good picture of Falco/Grant, and IMO, calling them Burns and Smithers is probably the most polite thing you'll hear them called. And don't give me the "living here in the DC area, I know that to be true from direct conversations" stuff and nonsense, because I too live here in DC and I can provide far, far more examples of rank-and-file AOLers who find RonCo incompetant at best and dangerously inept at worst. Go sit in the CC4 cafeteria and listen to the conversations. Really listen. You'll soon have no doubt what the real opinion of Sr. Mgmt is among the day-to-day AOL employees. Every day I hear from someone I knew when I used to work there, and every day, someone reminds me of how lucky it was that I got laid off last time around, because the confusion caused by a 30% upheaval (leaving 70% of people doing 100% of the work) and the mistrust the real workers have toward execs who promised "No more layoffs" and then started laying people off as soon as they had two bad quarters in a row is still alive and well at AOL. Or, better yet, check in with some of the best minds in the industry who got laid off for no real reason other than RonCo decided that somebody other than themselves would have to pay the price for their screw-ups. Find out how these former AOLers felt when several of them noticed openings for their old job positions on the "Careers@TimeWarner" site, only to see that a position that had once called for a Principal Programmer or higher were now being advertised as positions for interns.

You say you feel a "disconnect" when "the emotional attacks, and lack of what I perceive to be facts supporting your writing" appear in print? Too bad, Jim. Many of us felt a "disconnect" when thousands of man-years of experience received their firing notices by e-mail on 15 October 2007 and were laid off the next morning. If you really are who you say you are--ex-AOLer who happened upon this story because a friend sent it to you--then I'm sure you'll have no problem with disclosing enough information that those of us who worked there can figure out who you are without you having to blow your clever cover, "Jim".

Meanwhile, I think I'll stick to talking to real AOLers I do know personally. Many of them are desperately polishing up their resumes, begging their newly-employed friends to put in a good word for them at their new companies, etc.

Marah Marie (URL) said:
Good for you, Henry. AOL is indeed not above having their own happily brainwashed minions post here to create the illusion of disputed facts, as a commenter above suggested. It was done to me on my blog several times, and that blog never had the scale or reach that SAI does and it never will. Still, these guys tore into me with some relish quite a few times, over varied subjects as the years went by.

Because I am not well-known their attacks were usually merciless, and worse, usually anonymous, and left me on the defensive, gasping for air and posting "proof" any way I could to back up my assertions, and wondering why, when they go on the offensive, they are so bitter and so defensive of such an obviously-screwed-up company.

If I had to go through it again from them I think I'd just blow it off; they're not worth losing *my* peace of mind over.

That said, I love your idea of letting them rah-rah it up on another post that you will create specifically for them to express their more positive side of it; let's see what they can come up with in light of the obvious facts all over this page, both in the post and in the comments.

And yes, I'm thankful for sites like SAI, where everyone's version of the facts and everyone's opinions are heard.

If every popular site was controlled by AOL's "official" "corporate" take on how things are going there, none of us would ever, ever know what the h#ll is actually going on. AOL, to understate it, consistently "obfuscates" on any story that reflects badly on them. On a truly grand scale, I might add. I had enough years ago of them trying to control public opinion with every tactic from silence to useless and rather hostile arguments like Jim's.

Eric said:
First of all, I completely agree with everything Meand my 2000Close Personal Friends says. The workhorse and brains of AOL are the staff, always was, always will be. Whilst I was at AOL I was amazed at some of the incredible brains working there and sometimes how they were vastly underutilized. However, it took some time under Miller, and sure he made some mistakes, but there seemed to be some real momentum just when Bewkes stabbed him in the back. Since then all I see is depression, falling numbers, lost quarters and massive turnover as Nick Charles says. I know that one of the major problems they are facing is that management are bailing...hell everyone is bailing out and HR cannot find anyone to join the company to replace them. I understand AOL Corp Comm weighing in on these blogs but do they have to make it so obvious? We only write these things because it's true.

Soon ex AOL said:
Jim wrote:
"Look, AOL is running uphill."

funniest thing I read in a good while.

running uphill would mean to have (a) a plan and (b) a committed workforce. AOL has neither.

on a sidenote: substantial rumors are, that Dana Dunne (AOL Europes CEO) did indeed strike again. The german MD Torsten Ahlers is about to leave. I believe that Dana has an ever higher turnaround than Randy/Ron ;)

placido said:
Jim, please itemize the 'very good things happening'. Like you say we want facts, not vacuous, unsubstantiated rants.

(Pernicious of you btw to try & characterize the people posting to this blog as having nothing better to do, when the greatest concentration of directionless people sitting idly at their desks are dispirited staff & managers in Dulles).

roosh said:
Why does it feel like Eric was passed over for a promotion and/or fired? Hell, it feels like the negative comments on this thread are from bitter ex-employees from Dulles. Get over it, revenue is admittedly f'ed (Bewkes said so) at least to mid-year but looking at the PVs (and that's what Wall Street is looking at right now) it's a pretty big (and surprising) upturn. Just a fact.

roosh said:
Also, placido, it is unfortunate but Dulles is the past, and I feel if we looked at the IPs of those negative comments they'd all be in the Dulles area (and almost rightfully so). That said, and this is directed at Henry, I'd probably stop talking so much to Dulles (AOL circa 1999) and start talking to NYC (AOL 2008 and on). Then I think we'll get the scoop.

Time Warner Veteran said:
Curt Viebranz has a long-held, and well-deserved reputation at Time Warner as a straight shooter. Whether you were his boss or a subordinate, Curt always gave you the unvarnished truth.

Curt also has a reputation as a superb manager, which has been built with over 20 years of experience in the media industry. If you worked with Curt, you would know it's hard to believe anyone could integrate multiple companies any faster than him and still succeed.

My conclusion: AOL's senior management did not want to hear the truth.

Nick Charles said:
So I think we all know what we need to know about "Jim." AOL's business is so strong that despite Bewkes putting a "For Sale" sign in front of it, there are no offers. It's so strong that nearly every senior executive is looking for a way out. It's so strong that the stock is now trading at a 30-40% discount to the price at the time that Smithers and Burns came on board. The problem is that the management team has plenty of hubris and not so many clues.

AOL is like that spy satellite, there really isn't any question about the ending, only the precise location and method.

AOL Way said:
AOL is the Titanic. It has too many useless, worthless, clueless VPs, SVPs and EVPs.

CommentsForYouByMe said:
roosh said on Mar. 11, 11:47:
"...start talking to NYC (AOL 2008 and on). Then I think we'll get the scoop"

If that does not sound as if it is coming from CORP, then I do not know what does. Seems to me that anything coming from NYC would be coming directly from 'Smithers and Burns' cronies. However I could be wrong.

I've been very patient with this whole 'new business model' direction. I've listened intently to the labor, administration and executive opinions. Heard allot of the "all hands" bravato.

I'm on the market.

My advice - Do not wait until you get laid off. Use your current employment status as leverage to find a new position. Once you have received your package you will find that getting a new position with a new company is not the time to ask for an increase, or even comparable, salary. They will laugh at you. Because despite all your heartaches with AOL, LLC they do pay well if you are a veteran.

Brian said:
CommentsForYouByMe,

I keep hearing how people laid off from tech companies are being forced to take pay cuts in their new job.

I'm not so sure I agree with this. After I was laid off from AOL (Sr. QA), got my severance and bonus I had another job within 3 weeks making only 2 grand less than I was. My first raise will put me above what I was making plus I get an annual bonus.

I think if you have talent it's not that hard to find a job as some people think. I think it's the unknown that scares most people. I worked at AOL for 12 years so my interview skills were rusty but once I got in the room I sold myself and now I have a job where I feel like I actually accomplish something and the best part is I no longer have to deal with idiot H1B visa holders from India.

Brian

Unappreciated said:
In October 2007, AOL lays off 25% of the entire work force and saves approximately $150 Million dollars to cut expenses.

Within the following two months, TimeWarner CEO Dick Parsons leaves the company and receives $200 Million dollars. That's right, one man, $200 Million dollars.

What's wrong with this picture?


H1BfromBDC said:
thank u sir.brian for everything sir. because of u being so inefficent your vice president recruit me from india.I come here to USA and relize my dream. i make small money compared to u but one day i buy that big house u will default in forecloSURE. thank u sir increased h1b quota and i get visa and enjoy brians job in cc4. also i am dating a american girl and get green card and make many citizen babies. convey my regards to ur friend lu dobbs.
meanwhile sir please keep spending ur credit card max and outsourcing to bangaluru.

thank u sir. i now go watch bollywood movie and relax.



barbra said:
Another former Time Warner exec weights in!
I was present during the AOL/TW merger, when we were ALL asked to revise forecasts to make things look better during the merger.
And, it was never a "marriage made in heaven".
AOL made it clear that T-W execs were "stupid"
about the future of "new media". We weren't
stupid -- we just didn't want to end up giving
away content for free! Look what happend to
music!
Agreed -- Curt was a straight shooter in the media business. And, "they" shot the messenger when he delivered news they didn't want to hear.
Bewkes was not fit to run the Mail Room, and now
he's in charge????
Parsons was a "caretaker" for years, and he gets
MILLIONS in bonuses???
And, shareholders foot the bill. What a great
system!

roosh said:
barbara said: "We weren't stupid -- we just didn't want to end up giving away content for free! Look what happend to music!"

Yes, look at how well the music industry has fared with their old media ways. Not saying AOL wasn't arrogant and dumb, but the old media types were pretty mindless back then (and, a lot of the time, still are).


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I think putting Lynda in front is a good move though. I'm not saying anything about Curt because I don't know anything about him, but she's at least at the hub of it all.

Let's face it, AOL is now Ad.com. They are the hub of all these properties, with AOL content just being a part of the Ad.com network.

Mainly, you've got tech integration and then people integration. Merging the sales force is a tedious process, that Jon Miller had started rolling toward but didnt get the chance to complete.

I predict the "merging" of these companies will now have to come with Lynda swinging an axe, taking out the smaller property sales forces and leaving Ad.com sales to sell everything. The only ones left at the properties like Quigo, Lightingcast will be the people needed to integrate the tech into Ad.com's systems.

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It's a big, HUH? I wonder if Ad.com even knew about this buy.

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I think putting Lynda in front is a good move though. I'm not saying anything about Curt because I don't know anything about him, but she's at least at the hub of it all.

Let's face it, AOL is now Ad.com. They are the hub of all these properties, with AOL content just being a part of the Ad.com network.

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I predict the "merging" of these companies will now have to come with Lynda swinging an axe, taking out the smaller property sales forces and leaving Ad.com sales to sell everything. The only ones left at the properties like Quigo, Lightingcast will be the people needed to integrate the tech into Ad.com's systems.

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It's a big, HUH? I wonder if Ad.com even knew about this buy.

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