Recession Winners: Web Designers, SEO

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ThumbsUp.jpgI'm sitting in a café up here in Inwood and I overhear three guys doing a deal.

The customer is an architect or interior designer. He wants a new Web site so his customers can find his shop -- online and off -- and can see the construction companies and contractors he likes to work with. "Pictures are nice, but not necessary," he says. The two guys at the table with him are local Web designers.

After the customer leaves, I ask one of the designers how's business, since, you know, everything blew up.

"Actually it's very good," he tells me. But I'm skeptical. How could it be? Everyone's hurting.

"Well, people are looking for cost-effective ways to market themselves and redesigning their Web site is a relatively cheap alternative," says the designer.

It's true: I think I heard them offer to do the job for the architect for something like $1,300.

"Also it's its a one-time charge. Advertising only lasts for a certain amount of time and then you have to pay more."

The designer says another good business right now is search engine optimization (SEO), which is the polite way of describing the business of tweaking Web sites so they'll appear higher in natural search results.

This makes sense to me. Paying a one-time fee for a SEO re-vamp is probably a lot cheaper than paying for clicks each month. Maybe when cash is easier again, you'll do both.

Anyway, this news is from just one source and I overheard most of the details, so take it for what it is -- a little bit of murky, anecdotal good news, at a time when the bad news is painfully obvious.

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Also, outsourcing tends to increase during recessions. Companies let go employees - such as their own designers and developers - but still need to get the work done.
brady (URL) said:
Making out good in the recession is just the tip of the iceberg. Granted yes many firms and corps are downsizing but for the most part there in in there web side of business. It looks like internet marketing is freezer proof
SEO works until Google changes their algorythm in their always unannounced fashion.

As soon as you know the answers, Google seems to change the formula!
clickbot said:
Wow -- 1300 dollars. For two guys (three guys doing a deal). At least they get to expense the latte (50% only :) ).

Either the "redesign" is extremely trivial (nothing wrong with that -- it's smart), or our heroic web designers better have dozens of these lined up this month (and next month, the month after that, etc).

This is actually anecdotal proof that tech workers are going to have to change their future expectations. These are plumber fees -- again, nothing wrong with that, as plumbers make decent livings.

It sounds like this fellow should simply be using a free blog service for his site -- maybe that's what these folks are charging him for? Slick.
David (URL) said:
I agree, 'optimizing' your business or 'creating' an efficient 'new business' are going to be the next big wave as works leave, get laid off, fired or however you want to describe it, downsizing creates the effect of 'giving up' or 'creating and innovating', the later being what I'm banking on :)
Garbanzo said:
Plumber fees are nothing to sneeze your nose at -- in NYC, they are $100/hr and up. I suspect that most plumbers make more than most tech types. Hell, a recent contract for cement truck drivers gives them $130K per year when benefits are included.
$1300 sounds cheap until you realize that the site design is almost certainly going to be straight from boilerplate templates and take a few hours. Their overheads are zero (they were meeting in a coffee shop for a reason) so if the two of them get three jobs like that a week between them they'll be able to pay themselves ~$8k per month each.

Not a fortune, but not bad for ten or fifteen hours of technical work a week, scheduled when and where you want it, plus whatever other work you do on client relations and other marketing activities, which is going to be a big chunk of their time.
brady (URL) said:
@ James... Google changes and roll out major changes quite frequently. Bottom line if you abide by best practices you should (over time) rank higher and higher. And yes ranking number one on Google still matters now and for the foreseeable future. In fact 44 percent of all searchers still click on the first organic listing.
OneofNYC.com (URL) said:
OneofNYC.com does websites design and hosting for free with posting of classifieds. No money ever.
Marah Marie (URL) said:
@clickbot: I don't know...$650 per person for one website spruce-up sounds pretty good to me. Maybe one person does design elements, the other upgrades the CMS, makes a few back-end adjustments...you multiply this one deal by as many hours in a week as these two have to overhaul everyone's websites and you're looking at...optimistically, 10 jobs a week (assuming they're fairly simple upgrades with a little customization thrown in to wash out the "boiler-plate" look - and further assuming two such jobs a day and five days per week) the math is as follows: $650 x 10 = $6,500 per week per person, for $26,000 a month or $52,000 a month for both of them...a bit better than plumber rates, I hope. People who love coding and design (me) do it for ourselves and sometimes for others for free, so think what $650 a job is compared to nothing. Also, correct e if I'm wrong, but Nicholas didn't indicate if the designers closed the deal or not - if not, that might hint that the price was too high.
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Dave Medsker (URL) said:
I've been shopping for a site upgrade to make it more "searchy" and some SEO work. The site quotes have been 1500-3000 and the SEO has been 3500-5500, both with blue sky accountability. 10 pages of info and pictures, no conversion form, no storefront. One guy on the phone (Elite SEO) said he'd get ten key words on the first page of google for $5500, I said I'd give him half now and half later and he said he'd send an email proposal but never did, guess pay for performance is too harsh an accountability.
I own a Denver web design company and we have high ranking on Google for our keywords. We have more business than we can handle and are trying to hire. We were nervous about the economy, but it seems there is enough work and not a ton of people who know what they are doing, that we are crazy busy.

No, we're not making millions, but we have good people and we are paying them well and not working them to death. We see business from individuals launching new businesses online and SMBs. We were able to help a non-profit see an increase in donations of 23% over last year, despite the economy.

Let's hope it lasts.
Sean (URL) said:
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Social Investing is starting to play a big role in how people manage their money and Market Guru are best at that.
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bob@schmob.com said:
Marah, if you love design and coding so much how come your site uses a canned template that someone else wrote and designed?

And your design before that was doing the same, and so on and so forth. What exactly have you ever designed and/or coded yourself?
mc said:
While google's algo might change frequently, there are a variety of fundamentals that have remained true over time.
As a director of a rather large ad agency, we have seen robust growth in the demand for SEO services and expect it to continue for the forseeable future.

What you have to look out for are spammers (SEE ABOVE) and offshore companies that might not understand your true business needs.
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