Why Craigslist Sucks
craigslist Let's begin by defining terms. Craigslist is awesome in many respects--free, comprehensive, simple, and massive--but in other respects it sucks. The crappy elements include:
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- Design (none)
- Tons of Garbage listings
- Poor organization (listings organized by date instead of function)
- Inability to find only what you are looking for
- Craig clearly grooves on the fact that Craigslist sucks. Every day is an inside joke on all those bozos who spend millions building super-sexy graphic-intensive sites. Those sites have no users and big losses. Craigslist has millions of users and huge profits.
- Craig understands the same secret that Plenty of Fish proprietor Marcus Frind does: Sites that look like they suck are often a hundred times more useful and popular that sites that actually suck). Why? Because the key to Craigslist and Plenty of Fish is their ability to connect users to useful user-generated content, and vice versa. Everything else, as Frind says, is "trivial."
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Meanwhile these flaggers control content, are involved in all kinds of terrorist type of activities, and have roots in 550 different locations now across the world. They are being recruited on the website and being given a weapon to carry out their mission, while Craigslist stonewalls its advertisers and collects money for the paid ads-which I guarantee are not being flagged and removed. Ebay is a 25% shareholder in Craigslist and it amazes me why they allow this flagging war to continue as they have launched a very good competitive site called Kijiji-which is long on design and user friendliness, however short on results for their advertisers. From what I have gathered I believe that the only way Craigslist is going to change is through a class action suit, the government shutting them down for harboring terrorist activities, or enough pressure from the press and public media that they are forced to re-write their terms of service to move away from totally protecting themselves and benefiting the communities they say they are serving, and get rid of this flagging system. Make all advertisers open an account with them, take the weapon away and eliminate their failed flagging system, and make all editions accessable to all advertisers to post on as well as read and respond to ads on. One of the most useful tools to explore craigslist is a private search engine which presents a total search of their sites for requested information and items. That site in now being blocked by Craiglist. In an age when everyword and every ad counts to relieve the downturn in the economy, and an age when globalization is the order of the day, Craigslist is grinding out some worn out social experiment, a restricting inter-intrastate-and international exchange on their site. They say they are not responsible for content and than send a contract army out to censor the site, they present you with 550 editions and tell adverisers they are only welcome to advertise to the one closed to them and subject to flagging if they do. They frown on commercial postings, yet collect 80 million dollars in ad revenue from landlords and companies looking for employees in select editions of their webiste. To me this is absolute hypocracy and madness, its the same thing the Nazi's did in Germany before the war-people spying on each other and reporting it to the gestapo which than arrested them and confined them with trial or explanation-you were simply labeled an enemy of the state and party-the same way you are on Craigslist if you challenge their flagging system or terms of service-puff you account is removed or all your postings diasppear minutes after they go on the site. Several years ago there was a lawsuite against Denny's for discrimination, won by the customers, for Craiglist to change and become a partner and asset in the communiites they have listed, perhaps another class action is in order on the grounds that I have presented. Unfortunately I nor my clients do not have the resources or ability, or will to go through this type of emotionally draining ordeal, but perhaps one of you or your group or publication can. We have published a special report "The FlaggingWars on Craigslist"-Between Advertisers and Flaggers. Your welcome to receive a free email copy by writing to records_archives_2000@yahoo.com Thanks for reading this important insight into this situation.
1. Groups who commission themselves as the criagslist posting police. They are judge, jury and executioner.
2. The people who disagree with others political, religious and/or personal beliefs. They want to control others free speech.
3. Competitors who are selling/buying the same product. These are the worst.
ONE person can flag an ad and have it removed using online or offline software. Their system is beyond broke.
I think Craigslist is done. There are many other sites to go to. You could put up flyers and get better results than using Craigslist.
"If you have posted and been flagged three times just today, so now it doesn't matter what changes you make as soon as the writing community sees you repost they will just flag you down again.
Also. I really don't know if a open call for story submissions is really a writing gig. That is really up for the community to decide, so if you take a break, repost and are flagged again you need to take the hint that your community doesn't want your type of ad in their category."
The above is quoted from the response of a moderator to someone (not me) who requested submissions of children's stories for audio book publication. Numerous similar ads are published on CL every day and never flagged. And for good reason. As the moderator acknowledges, there is NOTHING IN THIS AD THAT VIOLATES THE TERMS OF USE. Instead, it has been removed for arbitrary reasons, in his or her words, because the "community doesn't want your type of ad."
Therein lies the problem with CL. I can think of no other service that allows a small minority of users (just six, in fact, out of the thousands who visit every day) to control all the other users AT THEIR WHIM, making decisions that are based not on set guidelines but because THEY FEEL LIKE IT. That is not right.
And whether or not CL is free is irrelevant. CL is "free" in the same way basic TV or radio are free. There are advertisers paying for that content, but I still expect that when I turn on a given station, it should be broadcasting what it's supposed to when it's supposed to. The same goes for any web site. It's free for me to read and use millions of web sites, but if they don't provide the quality they promise, I have the right to complain and review them negatively just like anyone else.
Why the person in the above example was targeted is beyond me. As a writer, I would have liked to have had the opportunity to see and answer this ad, and I'm sure many other writers would feel the same. Instead, I get to wade through clear bait- and-switches in the real estate section, porn ads in personals, and stay-at-home scams in the help wanteds, while legitimate ads are removed by teenagers sitting up at night with nothing to do but remove content that rubs them the wrong way for whatever reason.
I'm not going to take the self-defeating attitude that if it's broke, I might as well ditch it instead of fix it. That doesn't improve anything or help anyone. Instead, whenever I see an opportunity to negatively review CL, I'm going to take it. I've noticed a lot of discontent and grumbling on this subject around the Internet lately. Eventually, as more and more users get fed up with CL, they may start to feel the loss of business. I hope they do.
I CAN SAY CRAIGSLIST SUCKS!!!
Most of these Flaggots are either unscrupulous sorts who flag their competitors ads so as to take them down, or "Flagging Hobbyists". Here, we have a no-life who while away their day "patrolling" Craigs's, arbitrarily taking pot-shots at any ad that suits their whim.
Sheesh, go outside, get some sun, Flaggot!
Now you have to have an account and register b4 you can post an ad. Oh, but the freaks still post for free for their personal ads.
Should be the other way around. I guess they should just change the name to Freakslist now. Nobody else is going to use them anymore. Sorry Jim Buckmaster, you don't have people by the balls. Just shows what an overeducated idiot you are. You are a sell-out and a stumblebum.
Craigslist just screwed up the only things that made this site popular in the first place. What a joke. Now that times are getting tough and people need a site like Craigslist, they pull the rug out from their users. What poor timing and bad judgement. Just shows what hippocrates they are.
That's just my opinion and yes I am pissed off.
look at alexa.com top 900 in Nigeria posting fake scamming ads.
use www.shopandsave.com 100% safe they just launched in Toronto and already fastest growing free local classifieds in Canada.
One day they will come to New York and ill be sure to use them
Just dont use it if you dont like. Well, for some the presentation and colors appeal more than the actual stuff. How many times you loved those lovely animation asking you to update your flash player and finally crashes browser.
P.S: I have bought and sold more items from CL than from eBay.
In terms of interface, Craigslist is simple and that is for a reason. Ever try to open a graphics - heavy site and your browser crashes? Ever use any kind of mobile device to access the web? When was the last time you experienced THAT with C-List? My guess would be hmmm, let me see.....NEVER.
Sure Craigslist makes money. The difference is that Craigslist isn't taking the traditional approach of "maximizing shareholder value blah, blah blah" which has caused so much turmoil in the business world. The management doesn't deal with backstabbing managers and Enron-type accountants. Instead, they focus on doing something generally good-natured and the money follows. Also, is anyone aware of the Craigslist Foundation? - sprising how nobody here mentioned how much money they give to non-profits trying to actually help society rather than pilfer it.
Finally, your lawyers don't have a case. Don't you know anything about internet law? If not, I'd recommend brushing up on it before wasting your company's money with a frivolous lawsuit. (ie user created content is the responsibility of the user not the support platform - but you probably know that already)
To sum it up, don't go back to Craigslist if the free service is so poorly done. Go to any number of other "commnity" sites that care less about the community and more about lining their own pockets.
http://freshpeek.com/chris/
CL staff's response is to tell concerned users to "ignore" these abuses in the hope that they will go away, but if any one person complains to them enough or points out the bad faith actions of staff who refuse to hold up their end of the "community moderation" deal, that person is summarily punished by having their posts and/or posting ability removed...
problem is that true sociopaths don't just go away when ignored...but CL's response to the murders and other crimes that have occurred while this policy was in effect is to never, ever do anything but deny that their policies have any effect whatsoever on the ease with which predators can use the service and exploit staff's "see no evil, hear no evil, ignore everything" attitude.
Their site management style is identical to the dysfunctional family where the Dad (Craig) turns a blind eye to the abuse endured by one kid at the hands of another despite pleas for help and only reacts when he just can't ignore it any longer...not because he cares about the abuse, but because he doesn't want to be disturbed and have to do his job...and when he does react, it is just as likely as not that the kid who was actually the victim will get slapped upside the head for bothering him.
But a successful website is not always about the amount of users slamming it! CL was a strange fluke that took 10 years in the making.
I have had some success sometimes buying/selling things on CL, but not always. Actually the flaws that I found and the reasons I thought it "sucked" too inspired me to create a classifieds site that improves on those sucky features.
I launched Listasaurus.com to offer better navigation, better organization, and also take classifieds to the next level--video classifieds!
We also are the first online classifieds site to pay users simply for listing ads. So that takes free to another level too!
I think there's room for everyone, and room for different ideas out there. Video classifieds seem to be catching on, and it's something that CL doesn't offer. Will be interesting to see if down the line his users clamor for that.
If so, at least Listie can see we did it before he did.
:-)
They must be doing something right!
(I'll grant you that their search could be improved. More filtering/sorting would be helpful.)
HOWEVER: there is ONE ASPECT of Craig's I find that "Sucks"
DO NOT post your resume on there! 100 percent scam / fake contact was generated, personal information is often in a resume such as phone numbers and address. NOT ONE SINGLE REAL JOB OFFER / CONTACT was generated during the time I had my resume on the site, but I was constantly contacted with total bulldung. I took the resume off after 2 weeks, realizing that this aspect of the site is useless and possibly dangerous. If you want to sell the Light Saber you bought 3 years ago in a fot of idiocy, Craig's is great. If you are looking to find a job, stick to the real sites like Moster and Carrerbuilder. Craigs is useless in this respect.
Jim
virtually all hotmonster jobs avail are garbage (agencies' posts may actually be better than non-agency posts!)
most of the cl jobs avail are crap, and of those to whom you respond, most won't bother to reply bcc, eg: "sorry, we hired someone we think is better than you".
when i send (email or fax, though I haven't faxed for years, now) resumes, i include name and phone (and the usual resume background). not sure if that info is usable to scammers, but it "normal" resume info. if i omitted such info, nobody would reply.
cold calls? all zeroes, after much time expended.
professional job sites gave the best % replies, ime.
from user's perspective, small pages are best. though, it's too bad cl crushes cl-hosted imgs to such a poor level.