The Mozilla / Firefox IPO*

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How much is the entity that manages the Microsoft IE-killing browser Firefox worth, and when will it go public? Answers: 1) A lot, and 2) Probably this year or next.

Background:

In the past few years, Mozilla's open-source Firefox browser has done what most people would have considered impossible, which is chip away at Microsoft's choke-hold on the browser market. Considering Microsoft's advantages in this market--Internet Explorer comes pre-installed on nearly every PC--this is nothing short of amazing.

Estimates of Firefox's current penetration vary, but most put the browser's share at more than 15% (with 100 million+ downloads). On SAI, which obviously has tech-savvy readers, Firefox accounts for a full 42.3% of visits, only half a point less than IE's 42.7% (Apple's Safari accounts for most of the rest, with 13%). This shows the extent of Firefox's encroachment on what was once Microsoft's turf, as well as the amount of market growth opportunity left.

So how much is Firefox/Mozilla worth?

Any analysis has to start with the fact that, so far, Mozilla hasn't made much of an effort to build a business. The company's main revenue stream is simply per-browser carriage revenue for that little Google search box you see in the upper right corner of your browser tool bar--about $1 per download, according to some estimates. Even without slamming the accelerator to the floor, there's a lot more where that came from (advertising on the default landing page, for example).

Current Estimated Financial Performance


Still, according to the NYT in May, 2007, the for-profit company the foundation set up to handle Firefox has generated more than $100 million in revenue over the past few years: $6 million in 2004, $52 million in 2005, and so on. A reasonable continuation of that ramp would suggest that Mozilla Corp. might now have a run-rate of at least $100 million to $200 million per year. And, again, that's before it has really started trying to build a business.

What about costs?  The same NYT article put Mozilla's employee count at about 90, with more hiring planned.  So let's say there are now 125 full-time employees at a fully loaded cost of $150,000 per employee ($19 million a year), plus another, say, $30 million a year in facilities, services, equipment, and other costs.

Bottom line:

That adds up to costs of about $50 million a year, leaving Mozilla with annual profit of $50 million-$150 million on a $100-$200 million run-rate. Yes, if/when the company decided to go public, costs would rise and profits would drop  (Sarbanes Oxley alone would burn $5 million), but revenue would rise, too. So suffice it say that this is already a pretty nice business.

Valuation:

How much is the current business worth? Let's tax that profit range and apply multiples: $50-$150 million pre-tax gets you about $35 million - $100 million after tax. A business this exciting would probably trade for at least 30X-50X current profits, which would put you at $1.5 billion to $4 billion using the mid-point of the multiple range. Based on the valuations of other companies--$200 billion for Google, $7.5 billion for Facebook (discount that crazy Microsoft investment by at least 50% to get to fair-market value)--this seems very conservative, and it's still a boatload of money.

When Will Firefox/Mozilla Go Public?

Mozilla's earnest Mitchell Baker and friends will, of course, publicly say "NEVER!"  But let's be serious. Why wouldn't the Mozilla Foundation, which presumably exists to do good for the world, want to be the proud possessor of several billion dollars worth of public company stock? The Google Foundation, also a good-doing 501c3, certainly hasn't done badly with its own stash of GOOG. And, over time, like any smart foundation, Mozilla and Google will likely want diversify their holdings so they can continue to do good for decades.

Also, as well as Firefox is doing as a part-time love project, it could do even better with some major marketing, deal-making, and distribution power behind it. Every company in the world (save Microsoft) should want a Microsoft (and Google) competitor to succeed. So every company should want to at least consider a partnership with Firefox.

And what about those thousands of open-source coders who have built Firefox? What's in it for them? Won't they scream bloody murder?

Some of them will, yes. And some of them will storm off and found other "pure" open-source projects and hang out with communist billionaire Craig Newmark and grouse about how the world's going to the dogs.

But others--dare we say most?--will continue to contribute and carry on the Firefox anti-IE fight, especially after Mozilla distributes pre-IPO shares to the most prolific contributors (vesting over four years, of course, with more options granted every year, so as to ensure ongoing loyalty).

In Conclusion:

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Go ahead and call us retro: We still think Mozilla should buy the Netscape brand and site from Time Warner and rename the company Netscape (and the browser Netscape Firefox). But even if the company sticks with "Mozilla," we're looking forward to the IPO.

*UPDATE: Mozilla responds--We are NOT going public--and round two of the Great Mozilla/Firefox IPO Debate begins.

See Also: What AOL (and Mozilla) Should Do With Netscape



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77 Comments

John A. Donovan II said:
Let's make some money. Play Ball!!!

Thomas said:
Non-profit my ass.

MithunD said:
I agree with the suggestion to buy the Netscape brand from AOL. It's not like the latter's doing anything worthwhile with it.

hlls said:
Huh... and I started using Firefox cause it works well....and I can open tabs w/o opening new browsers...being a right wing Christian Capitalist Zelot...was hoping the backers of Firefox were the same.....oh well..ya'll keep quibbling over the minutia.. and us normal folks (who dont always spell perfectly) will keep using firefox because we like it!!

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Kim said:
I been a Firefox user for four years now all because I hate IE. As a site owner I design to show in Firefox and in doing so it shows up beautifully in IE. Can't say it works the other way around.
The main draw Firefox has its for the public
and not always asking it to update, you can block what you want when you want it.
Its very easy to become passion about anything that takes
Microsoft on and has it redoing its IE for what 7 now cause it can't handle the heat Firefox is putting on it?
By being a step out of the norm and willing not to be only in it for the money it makes a difference when everywhere you look someone has the hand out.
Besides google is making money off Firefox users, let's be real about that fact, why pull out?

anonymous said:
>> IE 8 is more standards driven than Firefox has even been.

I smell microcr*p PR. Are you on their payroll?

IE 5 = cr*p
IE 6 = cr*p
IE 7 = cr*p

See a pattern? I sure do...

>> End of Firefox upswing is near.

I sure hope not. Once you've gotten used to 5 star cuisine - a dish of cr*p isn't appealing.

Yet some people say that they -like- cr*p. Strange.

dras said:
I just noticed that IE is up to IE 6.
That's nice to hear, you see the last time my PC was in the shop I told the repair person to install Mozilla / Firefox and I have no need for Internet Explorer other then allowing MS to upgrade when they repair a repair.
Personally I care less who you use because I know someday you'll all figure it out.

Dorian said:
Great rebuttal to this over here by Larry Digman at Seeking Alpha: http://seekingalpha.com/article/58973-should-mozilla-go-public

Joseph Pally said:
A plain HTML renderer being touted as a billion dollar stock? Get real!

Firefox has been surviving on download numbers, mostly driven by security updates.

IE 8 is more standards driven than Firefox has even been. End of Firefox upswing is near.

seth said:
You know...for-profit capital markets are not always the best way to drive impact and create meaningful growth, especially for a companies like Mozilla.

I'm not sure capital from an IPO would really be a strategic or smart move by Mozilla. If the company is true to its mission ("The mission of the Mozilla project is to preserve choice and innovation on the Internet."), then it might jeopardize this by putting it up for sale to the public. Shareholder equity would get snatched up by venture capitalists, hedge funds, investment banks, and others who would pressure the company to do something other than preserve choice on the Web and Internet.

-seth
http://blog.mozilla.com/seth
If you're a member of the Mozilla Community or work for the Organization, or just follow discussions on the newsgroups, IRC, Bugzilla or wherever, it becomes pretty clear that the company works because people want to bring a public good to society, not by driving value to shareholders for monetary purposes.

Mike said:
"But let's be serious. Why wouldn't the Mozilla Foundation, which presumably exists to do good for the world, want to be the proud possessor of several billion dollars worth of public company stock?"

Oh, oh, I know this! Maybe its because money isn't everything!?

"And some of them will storm off and found other "pure" open-source projects and hang out with communist billionaire Craig Newmark and grouse about how the world's going to the dogs."

Yet another failed attempt to try to link open-source with communism. Tsk tsk...

John Lilly said:
Hi Henry --

Fun piece, but conclusions are not correct. We've said before many times that this is not our aim, and that it would actually get in the way of our goals.

John Lilly
COO, Mozilla

http://john.jubjubs.net/2008/01/03/firefoxmozilla-is-not-going-to-ipo-heres-why/

why not make the code contributors the first offer on shares? I'd love to see an algorithm that evaluates well-written code from the FF repository in to a monetary reward offer.

Gordon said:
Hello? Sorry? Among the reasons people are adopting Firefox is that it is non-commercial, both in how it is developed and how it presents itself to the world. Apart from a little Google promotion it's nice to have a piece of the internet that doesn't constantly try to sell stuff to you. Many is the company who has thought that what their customers' eyeballs want is more advertising only to discover it isn't quite that simple. One of the few that has managed to bridge this (so far) is Google.

Call me a communist (not true), liberal (true), anti-capitalist (probably true), lily-livered (never looked) European (true) if you like but I say keep Firefox as it is.

Mark Evans said:
Henry,

Fascinating post given it's the first time I've seen anyone put a valuation on Mozilla. I guess people never see it in that light given it's a non-profit organization - even though it's been making healthy profits.

My only concerns about an IPO would be:

1. How it would impact the open source community's enthusiasm in pushing Firefox/Thunderbird along for little or no compensation.

2. The heavy dependance that Mozilla has on Google. If Google, for whatever reason, cut Mozilla off for another/its own browser, it would have devastating impact on Mozilla's revenue and profits.

linkerjpatrick said:
I've joined a Facebook group and signed a petition (I doubt either will get much traction but who knows) anyway I have voiced my opinion that the Mozilla Foundation should buy the Netscape name and rebrand Firefox to Netscape (wasn't the original intent of the Mozilla project to rewrite Netscape anyway?)

I personally miss the orginal branding elements that made Netscape special, namely the Captain's Wheel splash screen and meteor shower throbber. When I try to get users/clients to switch to Firefox from I.E. or an older version of Netscape I get strange looks as if Firefox is not something "official" but then I go into a story about Netscape and Firefox and basically I make them feel better when I say Firefox in like a generic brand of Netscape.

I personally don't mind either the Mozilla or Firefox names I am not the general public. Netscape sounds like a web browser (Firefox doesn't mean a whole lot to your average joe) and Mozilla, well let's face it sounds cheesy and reminds people of bad Godzilla movies. It's cute for programmers and techies but not the general public. If AOL is not going to use the Netscape product or name then they should give it to the rightful heirs.

Craig Newmark said:
Actually, I'm a variety of libertarian, moderate-style.

Craig
craig@craigslist.org

Michael said:
Nicely done overview !

polizeros said:
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss what open-source coders would do. Without their support (and coding) Firefox would not have near the momentum it has now. Would they continue to code for free if the company was publicly traded and for profit? If not, how would compensation be handled?

WordPress is an open source company that also might be thinking about going public.

I'm not saying it can't be done or shouldn't be done, just that it needs to be done carefully and getting the open source community involved and signed on to the process would seem to be a must.

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