As Flash Video Rises, On2 Shares Fall

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Adobe_2Adobe Systems, whose Flash video product dominates the Web video industry, made a smart move today: The Valley-based software giant announced that it is adding support for a high-definition video compression format called H.264 -- the same format used on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs, on Apple's iPhone, and in other important places.

The winners: big media, independent filmmakers, and anyone else who wants to distribute hi-def video using Flash's near-ubiquitous plug-in. The loser: Clifton Park, N.Y.-based On2 Technologies, which, until today, provided the best-possible video compression format for Flash video. On2 does not own the H.264 format, whose patent royalties are administered by a firm called MPEG Licensing Authority. Adobe will still support On2's format, meaning On2 will still earn royalties, but many content creators will choose the new, higher-quality format, making On2's video format less relevant.

On2's Q2 revenue jumped 66% year-over-year from $1.53 million in 2Q06 to $2.55 million in 2Q07, "primarily attributed to increases in sales of our Flix and Adobe Flash related products," the company said in its 10-Q. After today's announcement that Adobe would add support for a rival video format, On2 shares fell 20% on the Amex market on more than twice their normal trading volume.



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Please study the market carefully.

On2 has software and hardware products that
support both H.264 codecs and VPx.

Comparing implementations of H.264 encoders and compare On2's H.264 encoder with others.

On2 not only have much smaller hardware requirements but they are winning choice for multiple codecs implementations where you need devices streaming.

VP8 is also coming and claims to be much better than H.264.

On2 has numerous deals that are just pending to be reveiled. Sun signed a multi-year deal with On2 to get their video codecs versions for JavaFx.

Stay tunes, you cannot conclude from any logical analysis that On2 is a looser.
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So does this new Flash Player support for MPEG-4 and H.264 mean that it will replace the On2 VP6 codec? Absolutely not. The addition of H.264 gives developers greater choice to select the technology that best meets their needs. The current implementation of H.264 does have some limitations, such as lack of support for alpha channel and the inability to embed video into a SWF file. On2 VP6 is a solid, high-quality choice for Flash-based video projects. The On2 VP6 codec is also clear of any licensing issues that may arise with MPEG-LA. (Licensing information can be found on the MPEG LA and Via Licensing sites.) The On2 VP6 codec will remain a consistent and viable option for media delivery—see the On2 VP6 technology white paper (PDF, 140K) for more information. The added support for H.264 simply means that there are now more options and wider spread compatibility for high quality and HD video.

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Drel said:
Actually vp7 isn't better than Mainconcept H.264 High Profile encoder.

There is still no vp8 on earth but profeesionals of video compression are sure that it will not be better than 2007/2008 H.264 encoders.
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Web Designer said:
Actually, On2 shares fell a great deal because they filed for an option to issue more stock. They fell a bit because of the Adobe news, but they also announced at the same time Adobe did that they were adding support for H.264 in their own Flix software.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

H.264, aka MPEG-4, was never going anywhere and as bandwidth increases across the internet it becomes more and more viable for the web, though in my experience is still a bit weighty file-size-wise. I think On2 is handling this very well.
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On2 Technologies may or may not earn royalties on external Flash VP6 products - nobody knows and they don't say.

But it's 100% certain that the majority of On2's current revenues have come from selling their own tools for doing VP6 video in Flash.

Consequently if there is less content growing in that older format, that could arguably mean lessening demand for VP6 tools.

So although perhaps not perfectly worded, the author's original conclusion stands correct.
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Better at what Mps is the question.
Mobile Content.....176x144,10-15fps....50-60 Kbps

Internet/Standard Definition.....640x480,24 fps....1-2 Mbps

High Definition......1280x720,24p....5-6 Mbps

Full High Definition...1920x1080, 24p....7-8 Mbps

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technolog...

If you listen to CEO of AKAM, key is file size, which is not a issue on DVD and the like. Same MPS for standard gives HD at present on VP7. VP8 it seem is raising that bar farther from the last CC. To get 30 FPS at 1920x1088 takes 20Mps from H.264 I won't list them all but easy to find on Wikipedia.
Dan Frommer said:
Thanks for your comments, folks.

@Camille - Flash only supports VP6, not VP7, so not sure how that's relevant to this post.

@Wireless_Raven - On2 rep says their terms with Adobe are confidential, so if you have some evidence you can point me toward, I'm happy to take a look at it.
Wireless_Raven said:
Wrong. On2 does NOT earn royalties from the VP6 licensing deal it made with Adobe. It was a one time fee. Very poor research.
Camille said:
Dan who is doing your research? H.264 is NOT a "higher-quality format" than ON2's VP7. Please stop pandering your miss information...

Camille
Simon said:
Imbecile!

Dan Frommer---Your drivel is very poorly researched concerning what this all means to ON2

Events will prove you very wrong soon and will reveal the worth of your poor cognitive skills.

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